Rayner-gate

[Juninhoburger]

Any sensible person would see this for what it is - hypocrisy and a desperate attempt by the Tories to cling onto power by fooling just enough people to vote for them.

The sort of people who read the Daily Mail though, well they're a different type of human entirely (some would say they're barely human.)

See also: Sun, The

 

[Ziggy]

Seemed like a nothing story, but the Tories and their press support went scalp hunting..big as possible. It looks like this one is beginning to lose traction.

 

[Chris_Boro]

It's hiprocracy but the tories and their supporting press don't seem to understand that pointing out raynor comes from a council estate is seen as an overall benefit by many voters.

This, of course, ignores the comparative scale of confirmed tory v possible Labour tax dodging. Didn't hunt forget to pay stamp duty on 5 houses to name just one tax scandal.

Hunt bought 7 flats which qualified him for bulk exemption on Stamp Duty, he "forgot" to declare he owned them though, which was the scandal.

I'm sure everyone here has forgot they own 7 flats at some point.

 

[masquesmog]

Hunt bought 7 flats which qualified him for bulk exemption on Stamp Duty, he "forgot" to declare he owned them though, which was the scandal.

I'm sure everyone here has forgot they own 7 flats at some point.

As Tory MPs clearly are keen to ensure that any possible criminal activity involving MPs is thoroughly investigated and, indeed, reinvestigated; that one will be contacting the relevant authorities today requesting that Hunt's case is looked into.

 

[h_m_boro]

Thing I'm not getting about this Rayner situation is that at the time she sold her house, she was working (was actually our UNISON Rep at the time) and any capital gains liability would have immediately been picked up by the HMRC.....as I'm assuming she wouldn't have had hot shot accountants/solicitors advising her how to avoid/minimise this. So she was just a random person selling a house.

Am I missing something?

 

[Laughing]

Hunt bought 7 flats which qualified him for bulk exemption on Stamp Duty, he "forgot" to declare he owned them though, which was the scandal.

I'm sure everyone here has forgot they own 7 flats at some point.

Cheers Chris. I thought he just didn't pay the stamp duty.

 

[Unravel_Morrison]

Cheers Chris. I thought he just didn't pay the stamp duty.

No, he didn't declare his ownership stake in the business that bought them.

 

[Since1973]

Thing I'm not getting about this Rayner situation is that at the time she sold her house, she was working (was actually our UNISON Rep at the time) and any capital gains liability would have immediately been picked up by the HMRC.....as I'm assuming she wouldn't have had hot shot accountants/solicitors advising her how to avoid/minimise this. So she was just a random person selling a house.

Am I missing something?

She sold the house on the pretence that she had been living in it - and not with her husband and children in a nearby house.

Therefore by stating (Lying) thus she was living at the address she did not have to declare any gain.

Also if the house was empty she would have been liable for full council tax and not eligible for the single person discount which it appears she claimed. (It is not clear if the house was empty or not)

Appears her and her ex-husband did well out of right to buy (Seems a bit Tory)

 

[Archiestephens_elbow]

Is this the best they have?

 

[h_m_boro]

She sold the house on the pretence that she had been living in it - and not with her husband and children in a nearby house.

Therefore by stating (Lying) thus she was living at the address she did not have to declare any gain.

Also if the house was empty she would have been liable for full council tax and not eligible for the single person discount which it appears she claimed. (It is not clear if the house was empty or not)

Appears her and her ex-husband did well out of right to buy (Seems a bit Tory)

Cheers for this, kind of makes things a bit more clear.

There seems to be a definite grey area as to proving that she was living in it or not, it was empty for period "x" or not. GMP have had look, not pursuing things.

Know a few people who have been in a similar position after splitting up and things just got sorted. Wife got kids, money, everything.............no HMRC investigation.

So, really, getting wound up about what isn't a definite attempt to dodge capital gains - for a few grand - is barrel scraping tastic. The number of Tory MPs (and PM) actively avoiding paying their share of tax in this country...... selectivity looking the other way and tutting very loudly.......

 

[Laughing]

Cheers for this, kind of makes things a bit more clear.

There seems to be a definite grey area as to proving that she was living in it or not, it was empty for period "x" or not. GMP have had look, not pursuing things.

Know a few people who have been in a similar position after splitting up and things just got sorted. Wife got kids, money, everything.............no HMRC investigation.

So, really, getting wound up about what isn't a definite attempt to dodge capital gains - for a few grand - is barrel scraping tastic. The number of Tory MPs (and PM) actively avoiding paying their share of tax in this country...... selectivity looking the other way and tutting very loudly.......

It is quite ungratifying.

 

[TeessideCleveland]

Proof that Angela Rayner 'lied about home at centre of tax row'

They are scenes of domestic bliss. Unfortunately for Angela Rayner, they also contradict her repeated claims that the house in which the pictures were taken was not her home.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[h_m_boro]

Shame the Daily Fail didn't go in depth about the millions fraudulently siphoned off by the Tory government into their pockets. Variety of scams.

Or the millions not paid to the treasury because of tax avoidance.

Or starting a sh*t storm about the Russian Report.

Or why MPs can pretty much do as they want with no repercussions so long as they say ".....soz like".

Think the journalists covering this story have a little boner for Ang.

 

[Chris_Boro]

Proof that Angela Rayner 'lied about home at centre of tax row'

They are scenes of domestic bliss. Unfortunately for Angela Rayner, they also contradict her repeated claims that the house in which the pictures were taken was not her home.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Thread that explains the ridiculousness of the Daily Fail.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1763133481901604963

 

[ThePrisoner]

The cushions don't lie

 

[Abel Tasman]

Shame the Daily Fail didn't go in depth about the millions fraudulently siphoned off by the Tory government into their pockets. Variety of scams.

Or the millions not paid to the treasury because of tax avoidance.

Or starting a sh*t storm about the Russian Report.

Or why MPs can pretty much do as they want with no repercussions so long as they say ".....soz like".

Think the journalists covering this story have a little boner for Ang.

Ian Hislop said very much the same on HIGNFY on Friday comparing Rayner to Rothermere the owner of the Fail and his tax dodging millions.

 

[xxlshirts_fit_all]

For it to be hypocrisy does that mean they’re acknowledging the other person is guilty as well

 

[Liamo]

She sold the house on the pretence that she had been living in it - and not with her husband and children in a nearby house.

Therefore by stating (Lying) thus she was living at the address she did not have to declare any gain.

Also if the house was empty she would have been liable for full council tax and not eligible for the single person discount which it appears she claimed. (It is not clear if the house was empty or not)

Appears her and her ex-husband did well out of right to buy (Seems a bit Tory)

At least according to the Twitter thread by @DanNeidle, referenced by @Chris_Boro, whether she had to pay CGT on the property doesn't depend on whether she was actually living there, it depends on whether it was nominated as her principal residence or not.

And as he states:

... it may seem weird that you can nominate somewhere as your principal residence when you don't live there, but you can provided it's been your home at some point, and you're not renting it out

Also, according to his info, it wasn't empty after she was (apparently) living with her husband at his house - her brother was living there (and she wasn't charging him rent).

 

[Chris_Boro]

At least according to the Twitter thread by @DanNeidle, referenced by @Chris_Boro, whether she had to pay CGT on the property doesn't depend on whether she was actually living there, it depends on whether it was nominated as her principal residence or not.

And as he states:



Also, according to his info, it wasn't empty after she was (apparently) living with her husband at his house - her brother was living there (and she wasn't charging him rent).

It's all ridiculous, CGT is complicated and Rayner may not have been due to pay any at all if work was done to the property.

Either way, this is a complete dead cat story designed purely to deflect and try to push the "they are all the same" narrative.

 

[speckyget]

Thread that explains the ridiculousness of the Daily Fail.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1763133481901604963

Sadly the article is asking for a subscription to read beyond a few lines. Suppose I could fork out. Then again I could shove my man veg in a blender and it would cost nowt.