Raducanu!!!
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SilentProf
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I always felt Andy Murray got a lot of unfair treatment after his throwaway comment about supporting whoever England play at a World Cup. Tyson Fury has been very vocal about considering himself Irish and not British multiple times but gets none of it.Joshua, Raducanu, Sterling, Farah, Hamilton, all get the absolute ire of fans in the last 5 years, despite being superb. Yet Tyson Fury, Jack Grealish etc. get unadulterated support wonder why? The only white guys that get continual and unfair grief seem to be the ones like Lineker and Southgate who stand up for black rightstell me I'm wrong.
festa5
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She's an outstanding prospect, I bet the LTA are rubbing their hands together. If she can progress and challenge for slams she'll be the poster girl for British tennis for the next decade. Seems to have a good character and not that it should matter, but the fact she's very attractive is a bonus too. If they can't inspire more kids to pick up a racket with a role model like that, they all need shooting. Early days yet mind.
Raised here and lived in this country since 2? How is she not British? It's nothing like Rusedski or even Konta being raised elsewhere and switching allegiance. This country is without question Radacanu's home, by any definition. Why would she represent anyone else?
Raised here and lived in this country since 2? How is she not British? It's nothing like Rusedski or even Konta being raised elsewhere and switching allegiance. This country is without question Radacanu's home, by any definition. Why would she represent anyone else?
BoroMart
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Murray certainly get grief, but that was due to joking about wanting Argentina to beat us. Casual tennis fans or non-tennis fans would see him as Scottish not British because of that.
Fury talks crap 90% of the time, he's called himself British and/or Irish multiple times. Just depends what way the wind blows....but.....it never effects the support he gets from British sports fans. Probably because people would prefer him to win than Joshua, because, well you know why
Alzi
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If you were born in a pigsty would that make you a pig?
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Marvanelli
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I opened this thread thinking I'd be reading good things about a new upcoming British tennis player (who we hope can bring home some trophies and good times), and yet the majority of this thread is arguing over her citizenship.
I don't know why I was surprised.
I don't know why I was surprised.
Alzi
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My dad was born in India when my grandfather worked there in the 1950’s, last time I checked he wasn’t Indian.
locomansimon
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Rubbish
HiredGun123
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AJ gets massive support, the only real backlash he had against him as a person was from some people was when he told people to shop in only black owned shops. To me, I don’t think that’s a smart way to tackle racism, especially when a huge amount of people who have give him PPV money are white. Then his Twitter messages saying black people are the superior race etc.Joshua, Raducanu, Sterling, Farah, Hamilton, all get the absolute ire of fans in the last 5 years, despite being superb. Yet Tyson Fury, Jack Grealish etc. get unadulterated support wonder why? The only white guys that get continual and unfair grief seem to be the ones like Lineker and Southgate who stand up for black rights
Fury was massively disliked until he had his mental health battle and turned his life around. He said a few things in the past that angered people and was vilified for it and still Is by some.
I think you’re bit off the mark regarding those two. Both are popular but been vilified for certain things they said that understandably don’t look good.
of course boxing fans are fickle and started saying AJ isn’t much good after he lost, but that’s part of boxing. When you attract a huge “casual” fan base like AJ does, you’re going to get that.
HiredGun123
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Tyson Fury has never been that vocal about not being British. He quite openly supports the England football team etc..
He might be proud of his Irish roots but that’s about it.
BoroFur
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You've hit the nail on the head Marv, she is British.
It's folk arguing that she isn't British who should be the ones to direct your ire at.
BoroFur
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In the past he has quite clearly 'wanted to be Irish'.
“I’m Irish,” Fury said when we met on that trip. “I may not have been born here but it is what I feel. Ireland doesn’t seem to want me but I want what is my birthright, namely to represent my country.
“I’m not doing this for profit because when you think about it, Britain has a population of 60 million people compared to the five million who live in Ireland. So from a business perspective, it would make sense to fly under a British flag. But that would be me denying who I am and where I came from.
“I’m not some politician trying to win a few votes by flying an Irish flag. I’m not a footballer wanting to get a passport so he can play for the international team. I’m a Fury, cousins of the musicians (The Furey’s and Davy Arthur) on my father’s side and cousins of Andy Lee’s family on my mother’s. How Irish are they?
“But I can’t get an Irish passport. Becoming the heavyweight champion of the world is not as hard a fight as proving my Irishness.”
SilentProf
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He’s fairly clear about it in this video and the article linked below.
Heavyweight boxing champion Tyson Fury's Irish roots
Tyson Fury, the "Gypsy King" boxer, frequently proclaims that he has "Irish blood" and a "British heart." Fury's father John Fury is from Galway, while his mother Amber Fury was born in Belfast.
BoroMart
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I agree that it isn't a smart way to tackle racism, but it certainly isn't the only backlash he gets, but the fact he supports BLM and anti-racism swayed the crowds massively against him. I haven't seen any messages about black people being a superior race from him.
Fury has pretty universal support and despite having only a couple of top 10 wins on his CV people talk about him like he's the second coming, which on his CV only isn't deserved. I mean the guy still hasn't ever defended a title and he won his first one over 6 years ago. Joshua has defended his title 9 times, always against top 10 HWs. But he isn't given any credit, because he's a black man, that fights for black rights.
I think the undermining of AJ started way before the BLM comments to be fair, they accelerated at that time for sure, but the racist element was already there.
HiredGun123
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not sure why you think AJ doesn’t get credit? He sells out stadiums and is considered as one as the best HW’s in the world
As for their CV’s, it really depends how you wanna look at it. Fury has dethroned 2 of the longest reigning champions in heavyweight history, and beat the consensus number one in Wlad. Joshua has a good amount of B and C level wins, a lot against older fighters but has never beaten long reigning champs. His title wins were against belt holders that weren’t considered the top fighters, or vacant.
Depends if you’re looking at quality wins or quantity. You can make a case for both.
I don’t think race has much to do with it, AJ has been one of the most popular and supported British sportsmen in years.
BoroMart
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It's not that he doesn't get any credit, it's that he gets a significant number of people discrediting him.
BoroMart
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Well they both beat Wlad and just 17 months apart. The consensus is that after years at the top, Wlad took his eye off the ball and took Fury for granted. Fury did superb, though. 17 months later Wlad will have lost that complacency, had his hunger back, and he got beat up by a novice AJ. I think those are equal wins.
Now Wilder, great puncher, terrible boxer. He has lost nearly every round he has fought against top 10 fighters. Of which there are only 3. He is a paper champion, whose career defining win was against a 40 year old with a heart defect who had no significant wins on his record. Wilder isn't an 'A class win' because Wilder has nothing of note on his resume.
I agree that outside of Wlad, AJ, Fury, there are no other A class wins on any of their CVs. AJs B and C wins, are way above Fury's C, D and E. Fury doesn't fight top 20 fighters, other than his 3 title fights. AJ doesn't fight outside of the top 15 and hasn't for more than 4 years.
But this discussion just highlights how his record is not looked on through the same eyes as Fury, just like Raducanu is questioned for her integrity as a brit, like Barnes was years ago, like Lennox was. Hamilton should be absolutely loved, like Mansell was, but he isn't because of his vocal stance on racism. I remember Bruno used to get called an uncle Tom because he kept quiet about racism, and instead decided to go along with the elite. It was hard on him, but it was the only we he could be a publicly accepted black athlete at that time.....I wonder how much progress we really have made since then, other than non-white british athletes will now stand up (or kneel down) for their rights.
Otto42
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Some real overt racism on these comments.....if you represent a country, that's your country. Interesting documentary about the England players of Caribbean heritage on Sky on Saturday.....Chris Lewis said 'People said I cared less, they want to see me playing against my brothers....I am competitor and never want to lose'