Q. What does the Labour Party stand for?

Adi_Dem said:
Another symptom of a broken system to me. We haven't had a properly functioning opposition for years. To my mind we have a corrupt, lying, incompetent government and across from them a wishy washy, indecisivie opposition party that is hiding from the big issues. The only differentiator is that at the very least the opposition does appear to be honest and decent.

I have said this before but there are, essentially, three parts to a functioning democracy. Firstly, you need a strong opposition that will hold the government to account. Secondly, you need an impartial media. Finally, an indepdendent judiciary with the power to ensure that those in power use that power within the law. We are clinging on to the latter in the face of powers of judicial review being stripped away and the judiciary coming under attack from the partisan media. We simply don't have the first two. As I said before: a deep, deep crisis.
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Im just giving my head a shake after agreeing with most of that
 
Soutra said:
This is what I posted.

What makes you think former Labour voters are looking for justification or rationale for the way they voted? Loads of them must have decided that Labour didn't understand their circumstance, and or didn't have relevant policies. Once you get to that point then it's a choice between the pro EU Libdems or pro Brexit Tories. In the former heartlands where losing jobs to immigrants and globalisation are big issues, it's an easy choice.

I was responding to someone who mentioned former Labour voters were justifying their choice to vote for the Conservatives. I guess I should have said "where losing jobs to immigrants and globalisation ARE SEEN as big issues". If the perception is that immigrants are taking jobs from the indigenous population then that's the issue that politicians have to address. That perception is bound up in the first two issues mentioned by voters, the media, the Labour Party after the elections this month.
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Not having that. From categorically stating that immigrants are taking jobs from former Labour voters you are now backtracking to a 'perception' bound up in two reasons why Labour has lost votes neither of which mention immigration at all.
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
As mentioned in this thread, and others: mis-management of the pandemic and assorted Tory sleaze
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The problem is, not everybody gets involved in political debate on forums and many will reflect the story as told in the red tops, vaccine success. Who really cares about wallpaper, the only sleaze issue broadly covered.

If the press don't go after corruption then the electorate aren't going to.
 
Paarmo said:
If no Labour voter seems to know what the Labour Party stands for . why do people still vote for them ?
Me Grandad voted Labour , me Dad voted Labour so I'll vote Labour until the day I die !
The Labour Party are a very different beast to when it was formed.
It was formed to support the " working man " . Nowadays it supports the " non working man " , the effete University socialists , terrorist groups and every minority group with an axe to grind and the working man doesn't even get a look in because he wants a voice in the Country which doesn't support any of the above.
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Terrorist groups?

There's more of a link between the right wing parties and terrorist groups.
 
Paarmo said:
If no Labour voter seems to know what the Labour Party stands for . why do people still vote for them ?
Me Grandad voted Labour , me Dad voted Labour so I'll vote Labour until the day I die !
The Labour Party are a very different beast to when it was formed.
It was formed to support the " working man " . Nowadays it supports the " non working man " , the effete University socialists , terrorist groups and every minority group with an axe to grind and the working man doesn't even get a look in because he wants a voice in the Country which doesn't support any of the above.
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Utter cobblers mate. And just to add that I have no real idea what the current labour party stands for other than trying to become the Tory party. They certainly don't stand for me. I may have mentioned this before but I'm really not too keen on that Starmer fella. Alienating the left and trying to win over Tory voters who would never vote labour in a million years and certainly wouldn't vote for a high profile remainer like Sir Haircut is just absolutely nuts as far as political strategies go. The labour party is going nowhere fast with that hopeless fraud in charge.
 
When some on here began criticising Starmer for being ineffective, his defenders always maintained that he was keeping his powder dry; setting traps, or keeping his views close to his chest for nearer a GE. I argued at the time that if you don't spring your traps, people will eventually forget about them and if you keep your powder dry for too long Johnson will sail into calmer waters. That has already happened with the vaccine bounce and now it looks like the railways are to be partially renationalised.

www.bbc.co.uk

Better rail services promised in huge shake-up

Transport Secretary says there is no "hidden agenda" to raise fares but there could be no guarantees.
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BlindBoyGrunt said:
That isn't what you said though Holgate. You said that Labour voters thought Starmer was doing a better job than Corbyn, but many, many people no longer regard themselves as labour voters so those that still do are likely to prefer Starmer. It's a majority of a much reduced pool.
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I didn’t really say anything other than polls in the red wall are showing that people, whoever they are, think Starmer is doing a better job than Corbyn.

The poll might be wrong, it might be skewed, but if You Gov were involved one thing is for sure is that it will probably have been paid for by the Tories after the local elections to try to run Labour down in some way and it may have given an unexpected or unwanted result which is no doubt the reason it hasn’t been publicised.

Personally I don’t buy all this Corbyn v Starmer nonsense, Labour voters should get behind the leader whoever it is, the only beneficiaries from the infighting are Johnson and the Tories.

We all know what Labour generally stands for compared to Bunter and co, I get sick of reading all this guff that nobody knows what Labour is about.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
When some on here began criticising Starmer for being ineffective, his defenders always maintained that he was keeping his powder dry; setting traps, or keeping his views close to his chest for nearer a GE. I argued at the time that if you don't spring your traps, people will eventually forget about them and if you keep your powder dry for too long Johnson will sail into calmer waters. That has already happened with the vaccine bounce and now it looks like the railways are to be partially renationalised.

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A few million Tories will not be happy with that having defended privatisation of everything for 30 odd years.

Have the Tories turned into Labour?

Does anybody know what they stand for any more?
HundredRoom said:
Mayors spend most of their political powers changing traffic light signals and road names etc.

Just a harmless bit of fun albeit at great expense

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No you are talking about local Tory councillors there.

The Labour mayors get big budgets to use.
 
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