Pulis on the Debate.

Jonny Ingbar

Well-known member
#41
I read somewhere today that we have dropped 17 points from winning, or drawing positions - that would have put us in play-off spot.

I think there are some really encouraging signs, but ultimately points win prizes and you get nothing for playing attacking, or attractive football.

The summer will be a big window for us (aren't they all!!!) and this will determine how competitive we will be next season I think.
 

r00fie1

Well-known member
#42
Never mind what he was like as a person.
He was paid to organise and manage a team - he did:
badly.
the record run of defeats
more time drying balls on towels
poor set pieces
9 men behind the ball when losing or drawing at home
dwindling crowds
jordan stuck surrounded by defenders 50 yards away from our "midfield"
openly castigating players like Britt
patronising fans talking about how much he knew the area and how we all felt about the Boro
wasted effort on Jack Harrison , Van the Para , Besic and Flint.
negative tactics
bringing in mcnair and hardly playing him

I couldnt care less about "the man".

His management style and team set up was dire.
 

Marvanelli

Well-known member
#43
Can't disagree with any of those points you make Roofie.

He was simply a very very bad appointment.

And I know a lot of fans saw this coming the moment he walked through the doors.
 
#44
Never mind what he was like as a person.
He was paid to organise and manage a team - he did:
badly.
the record run of defeats
more time drying balls on towels
poor set pieces
9 men behind the ball when losing or drawing at home
dwindling crowds
jordan stuck surrounded by defenders 50 yards away from our "midfield"
openly castigating players like Britt
patronising fans talking about how much he knew the area and how we all felt about the Boro
wasted effort on Jack Harrison , Van the Para , Besic and Flint.
negative tactics
bringing in mcnair and hardly playing him

I couldnt care less about "the man".

His management style and team set up was dire.
I totally agree with you I was just relating to an earlier reply about people having a deep personal hatred for the man 👍
 

atypical_boro

Well-known member
#45
Never mind what he was like as a person.
He was paid to organise and manage a team - he did:
badly.
the record run of defeats
more time drying balls on towels
poor set pieces
9 men behind the ball when losing or drawing at home
dwindling crowds
jordan stuck surrounded by defenders 50 yards away from our "midfield"
openly castigating players like Britt
patronising fans talking about how much he knew the area and how we all felt about the Boro
wasted effort on Jack Harrison , Van the Para , Besic and Flint.
negative tactics
bringing in mcnair and hardly playing him

I couldnt care less about "the man".

His management style and team set up was dire.
All this and yet we still scored more goals under him than we do now, despite his 'negativity'.
 

r00fie1

Well-known member
#46
Stats can be bent anyway people want.
The young players have prospered under Woody.
We have exciting talent in our midst which is already producing the goods.
We`ve had at least half the older first team out for over half a srason yet the kids are doing fine
Howson is Mr bendy man - Mcnair is playing left back and we have the likes of Coulson and Spenna doing one hell of a job.
We need an out and out striker because we havent done the job and finished teams off often enough.
Fletcher has come of age [he should be in his prime and he cost a fortune] - scoring some crackers
Wingy - scores from 50-40-30-20 yards, in fact he scores from everywhere.

So long as we finish a point above the bottom three it will have been a satisfactory season.
 

atypical_boro

Well-known member
#47
Stats can be bent anyway people want.
The young players have prospered under Woody.
We have exciting talent in our midst which is already producing the goods.
We`ve had at least half the older first team out for over half a srason yet the kids are doing fine
Howson is Mr bendy man - Mcnair is playing left back and we have the likes of Coulson and Spenna doing one hell of a job.
We need an out and out striker because we havent done the job and finished teams off often enough.
Fletcher has come of age [he should be in his prime and he cost a fortune] - scoring some crackers
Wingy - scores from 50-40-30-20 yards, in fact he scores from everywhere.

So long as we finish a point above the bottom three it will have been a satisfactory season.
Ok but if by “stats” you mean goals scored, points total and league position, they’re not exactly obscure stats to choose.
 

boromike85

Well-known member
#48
So long as we finish a point above the bottom three it will have been a satisfactory season.
It definitely wouldn't. It would be a disastrous season. This squad is capable of pushing for the playoffs with a minimum hitting midtable. Anything less than that is a very poor effort.

I really don't think Woodgate is the long term answer. He was starting to change my mind after the run over Xmas but since then we have regressed. He chops and changes all over the place every week. He needs to pick a formation and fit the players into it, not the other way round. Tuesday atr Wigan was awful. The decision to play a midfield of 4 central midfielders was nonsense.

We're not world beaters, we have some decent players and some filler (and some rubbish) but we should be looking up and not down. It is the manager's failings that have us where we are. My fear is that people see this season as satisfactory and we give him a transfer window and another season and find ourselves in the same position this time next year which would be a waste.
 

atypical_boro

Well-known member
#49
It definitely wouldn't. It would be a disastrous season. This squad is capable of pushing for the playoffs with a minimum hitting midtable. Anything less than that is a very poor effort.

I really don't think Woodgate is the long term answer. He was starting to change my mind after the run over Xmas but since then we have regressed. He chops and changes all over the place every week. He needs to pick a formation and fit the players into it, not the other way round. Tuesday atr Wigan was awful. The decision to play a midfield of 4 central midfielders was nonsense.

We're not world beaters, we have some decent players and some filler (and some rubbish) but we should be looking up and not down. It is the manager's failings that have us where we are. My fear is that people see this season as satisfactory and we give him a transfer window and another season and find ourselves in the same position this time next year which would be a waste.
I'm not so sure it would be a 'waste' as such Mike. We would have re-stabilised our finances following the failed PL venture, and have a clean slate to go again. If Woody doesn't show improvement next year, I think Gibson would probably not give him his third year, and we could try again with an appointment perhaps a bit like the Karanka one, fresh ideas etc.
 

boromike85

Well-known member
#50
Agreed, and that is most likely what will happen, but that is why it is a bit of a waste because someone better could have us challenging. I'm fairly confident we won't get very far with Woodgate. I'd like him to and like I say, he had me changing my mind on him last month, but I think I got carried away and we're back to reality with him now.

There's no guarantee that a different manager would be better of course. I just think Woodgate has a fairly low ceiling.
 

atypical_boro

Well-known member
#51
Agreed, and that is most likely what will happen, but that is why it is a bit of a waste because someone better could have us challenging. I'm fairly confident we won't get very far with Woodgate. I'd like him to and like I say, he had me changing my mind on him last month, but I think I got carried away and we're back to reality with him now.

There's no guarantee that a different manager would be better of course. I just think Woodgate has a fairly low ceiling.
Well either way, I think one more season won't do any real harm (unless we're drowning by Christmas but I think thats unlikely) and see how it goes. You never know, it might all start to click next year.
 
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