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I'm still curios as to why he was getting sent off, have I missed this, apologies if I have???

For being black :eek:
Sorry, - gallows humour
 
festa5 said:
My initial reaction is that I agree with this and in the past I'd probably do the same (and probably have at some point). Why would you avoid doing so, it's not like it's an insult or being black is anything to be ashamed of?

However I only have the perspective of a white man and am more than happy to be educated as to why that's wrong. Knowing that some people would have a problem with it means I don't or wouldn't do it now to be on the safe side, but I admit I'm still not entirely clear on why.
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I agree, yes we have to be careful with how we express ourselves. But who are the educators on this? There has to be common ground and basic agreement. At the moment there just appears to be heads banging on this and the outraged are holding sway.
I would hope if the 4th officials words were mis-interpreted, then apologise are in order and a joint statement issued because under the current climate, using the word black is not acceptable.
 
tripleheader said:
I agree, yes we have to be careful with how we express ourselves. But who are the educators on this? There has to be common ground and basic agreement. At the moment there just appears to be heads banging on this and the outraged are holding sway.
I would hope if the 4th officials words were mis-interpreted, then apologise are in order and a joint statement issued because under the current climate, using the word black is not acceptable.
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That could be a good way forward.

The only thing I'd add is there is bias all over the place here (blatant and unconscious).
When we get to things like 'the outraged' - I do understand where you are coming from. My bias does kicks in here.

Few, if any on here really know what it is like to face prejudice most of your life. If you have been singled out because of colour you will, at some time, snap. I think we ought to understand that.
The players may indeed have over reacted (time will tell) but - I'm just in the place of cutting them some slack if they did. Most of them have faced far worse than we can imagine over their lifetime.
 
festa5 said:
I doubt he chooses to be bald 😂
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Of course he does, he will have some hair, I have plenty but shaved it off recently. If he is follicly challenged then he can choose to get implants. These days, people who are bold chose that option.
 
BoroMart said:
because international communication is about adapting to other cultures and language....that's how it works.
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That's true.
But he was communicating in Romanian to a Romanian referee, he was not speaking to Pierre Webo in Romanian, just in his vicinity.

The situation clearly wouldn't have happened if they'd communicated in English, but I'm still not sure it's right to lambast somebody for speaking in his own language with another Romanian speaker.

It sounds like the official is stepping down from football entirely.
 
SmallTown said:
Ok, so why not others adapt to those guys saying “negro “ or variations of?
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You mean people who have had a word used in hate and oppression should just accept that other countries use a derivation of it in a different way? Interesting concept, we all should look to use our language positively, it's the person doing the saying that needs to take care first.
 
BoroMart said:
You mean people who have had a word used in hate and oppression should just accept that other countries use a derivation of it in a different way? Interesting concept, we all should look to use our language positively, it's the person doing the saying that needs to take care first.
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No I don’t mean that
 
BoroMart said:
I can't understand how europeans with a word for black that is a derivative from the latin 'nigreos' are not aware that it is a dangerous word to use. I mean a UEFA official ref must be fairly worldly wise, and know this. I barely speak any spanish but I am acutely uncomfortable using the spanish word for black even in innocuous circumstances like talking about a black car or horse or anything. Surely anyone from these countries that travels knows not to call anyone black.
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I don't think that the best way to tackle racism is to insist that some people must be shoehorned into speaking some homogenous language with approved words that belong to another language. Football is an international game that brings together far more people than it divides and it recognises that the differences in cultures and languages is vast. Education and the recognition and celebration of these differences is a better way, not forcing everybody to be the same. That road just leads to a huge tangled web of semantics as more and more words are identified as unacceptable. The word black is not inappropriate and to be nervous of using it to describe a car or a horse (or a labrador) just demonstrates how stupid it is already getting.

The existence of the Indo European language group and the fact that East Europeans and Africans have words of the same origin is surely something that should be highlighted to demonstrate to bigots that we are closer than they think to our fellow humans.
 
I do not know the Background to this, and racism to me I will never understand.

I speak basic Spanish but that does not mean I understand the neuanses.

If you had 4 pairs of shoes and one was Brown you would say get me the Brown pair.

The guy may have made an error in his use of words. That's a big step to calling him a racist. If Has been called out before, to hell with him.

Spanishman can correct me if I am wrong but we misunderstand Manana as it won't happen. If my staff use it to me they mean it's planned.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
I don't think that the best way to tackle racism is to insist that some people must be shoehorned into speaking some homogenous language with approved words that belong to another language.
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that isn't quite what I'm saying, when you talk to people of other language and culture, you need to temp how you communicate, that's common sense because misunderstandings can easily happen.
 
BoroMart said:
that isn't quite what I'm saying, when you talk to people of other language and culture, you need to temp how you communicate, that's common sense because misunderstandings can easily happen.
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Yes but that's just use of a word, not a nuance or subtlety. Like I said, there is a bigger debate about calling a person of colour "black". However if you believe, as I do, this is acceptable then its acceptable regardless of what language you use.
 
I have a Romanian friend I just saw this on his Facebook, obviously two wrongs don’t make a right but some interesting incidents listed here. I believe Facebook has translated from Romanian to English.

WE ARE THE CORNER 💙💛❤

▪️ Simona Halep win Rolland Garos - Charlie Hebdo magazine mocked her, featuring a man with the cup upwards shouting ′′ Iron, Iron!"
WAS NOT CONSIDERED RACISM

▪️ Romania - France, 13.02.2002-the French made us ′′ gypsies ′′
WAS NOT CONSIDERED RACISM

▪️ Irina Begu - Caroline Garcia first tour of Charleston 2016.
′′ I can't believe a gypsy is beating me ", Caroline Garcia says at the end of the game.
WAS NOT CONSIDERED RACISM

▪️ CFR Cluj - Slavia Prague, 20.08.2019. The supporters of the opposing team chant ′′ gypsies, gypsies ′′ - the match continues
WAS NOT CONSIDERED RACISM

▪️ Naples - Steaua Bucharest, 2010. Italians tell us that we are ′′ a crappy race, a crappy gypsy nation ′′ - the game is played.
WAS NOT CONSIDERED RACISM

▪️ Sebastian Col țescu says ′′ give that black one a card ", without denotative connotation. PSG - Ba așak șehir game stops, players get off the field, everyone molests him and IS ACCUSED OF RACISM.
#NoiSuntemColțescu
 
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