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s!ovak said:
I wouldn't have thought so.

To be honest I'm really confused by the whole issue now. Are you not allowed to call a black man "black"?

That's a genuine question by the way.

Depends entirely on context I would guess pal.
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The Card Cheat said:
He would never have said the white one, that's the point. I'm white and 45. Never once in my entire life have I been identified as the "white one". Have you?
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You probably would if you were out with 4 black mates and something happened. 'who did it?' and let's say it was the white guy.

I'm pretty sure you'd be described as 'the white guy'.
 
Its a stupid reference to make. I would not class it as racist.
 
Just to add to some questions and answers on the board. My mate goes ape 5hit if someone refers to him as coloured. He'll even tell you, he's not purple, blue or whatever. He's black. Granted not many people say that to him anyway, he's something like 6ft 6 and weights about 20 stone. And it's not fat either.
 
ChrisTheRed said:
It. Is. Not. Racist.

The use of the words "black" and "man" in the correct context is not, I repeat not, racist.

Enjoy the rest of your evening.
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And in the wrong context it is racist, for example, describing someone only by their skin colour when there are many many other ways to more accurately do so.

Whether intent was there does not alter the outcome that offence was caused and the fact a fully trained UEFA official used a term such as this in that moment shows a level of unacceptable prejudice.

Your original point regarding if it was the other way round proves your argument of context as a defense here is false, as it would be highly highly unlikely to ever have been used in this scenario as a means to describe a member of staff of a football team.

As such, the level of prejudice shown here is racist.
 
TeaCider said:
Apparently the official was Romanian and used the word negru to identify which member of coaching staff needed to be sent off, which is the Romanian word for black.

But referring to someone as the black is clearly not on either, there'll be a big inquest in to this.
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Why not?

I think we can go over the top with trying to avoid racism. Surely if we can support the Black Lives Matter movement we can refer to people of colour as black? In the same way I would refer to myself as white
 
ChrisTheRed said:
Exactly, saying "black man" is not in itself racist.

As I said context is required.
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Exactly. I used it myself year ago at work. Someone asked me to point out one of my colleagues. As he was the only black man in a large group of white men it was simply the easiest way of describing who he was.
 
ChrisTheRed said:
Absolutely but the people of the board are soon to be judge and jury without context.
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Chris - the people who matter judged. The players who heard the comment felt it was racist and took the action they felt was necessary.

People on FMTTM can bring all sorts of nuances into play, if they like, to force a philosophical discussion.

Maybe, just maybe, a little understanding on behalf of those who were there, would have been more appropriate.
 
If downing tools over such matters is going to become the norm then how disrupted is the world going to become - for everybody. This official should have been replaced immediately, then the game should have been resumed and a proper investigation by the governing body after the game.
Whatever happened to thinking on your feet, using common sense and taking appropriate action.
 
1finny said:
Chris - the people who matter judged. The players who heard the comment felt it was racist and took the action they felt was necessary.

People on FMTTM can bring all sorts of nuances into play, if they like, to force a philosophical discussion.

Maybe, just maybe, a little understanding on behalf of those who were there, would have been more appropriate.
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Do you think the 4th official meant it as a racial slur? Or do we have a break down between language barriers/ cultural differences?

Maybe officials need to be put on educational courses by UEFA so they understand what terms are acceptable/ offensive.
 
Uwefuchs said:
Do you think the 4th official meant it as a racial slur? Or do we have a break down between language barriers/ cultural differences?

Maybe officials need to be put on educational courses by UEFA so they understand what terms are acceptable/ offensive.
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I’ve no idea, I was watching Masterchef.
I’d rather leave it to those who were there.

We appear very intolerant to non white sportspeople making decisions for themselves - I wonder why.
 
Uwefuchs said:
Do you think the 4th official meant it as a racial slur? Or do we have a break down between language barriers/ cultural differences?

Maybe officials need to be put on educational courses by UEFA so they understand what terms are acceptable/ offensive.
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Definitely the language barrier thing. You can easily say something in one language that sounds worse than it is. In this case the word Black is fine. However when said in a romance language such as Romanian it sounds too similar to the n word and you can see how misunderstanding happens
 
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