Pak_Doo_Ik
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I'm still curios as to why he was getting sent off, have I missed this, apologies if I have???
I agree, yes we have to be careful with how we express ourselves. But who are the educators on this? There has to be common ground and basic agreement. At the moment there just appears to be heads banging on this and the outraged are holding sway.My initial reaction is that I agree with this and in the past I'd probably do the same (and probably have at some point). Why would you avoid doing so, it's not like it's an insult or being black is anything to be ashamed of?
However I only have the perspective of a white man and am more than happy to be educated as to why that's wrong. Knowing that some people would have a problem with it means I don't or wouldn't do it now to be on the safe side, but I admit I'm still not entirely clear on why.
I agree, yes we have to be careful with how we express ourselves. But who are the educators on this? There has to be common ground and basic agreement. At the moment there just appears to be heads banging on this and the outraged are holding sway.
I would hope if the 4th officials words were mis-interpreted, then apologise are in order and a joint statement issued because under the current climate, using the word black is not acceptable.
Of course he does, he will have some hair, I have plenty but shaved it off recently. If he is follicly challenged then he can choose to get implants. These days, people who are bold chose that option.I doubt he chooses to be bald
because international communication is about adapting to other cultures and language....that's how it works.Not sure I agree with this why would they have to adapt their own language?
That's true.because international communication is about adapting to other cultures and language....that's how it works.
Ok, so why not others adapt to those guys saying “negro “ or variations of?because international communication is about adapting to other cultures and language....that's how it works.
You mean people who have had a word used in hate and oppression should just accept that other countries use a derivation of it in a different way? Interesting concept, we all should look to use our language positively, it's the person doing the saying that needs to take care first.Ok, so why not others adapt to those guys saying “negro “ or variations of?
No I don’t mean thatYou mean people who have had a word used in hate and oppression should just accept that other countries use a derivation of it in a different way? Interesting concept, we all should look to use our language positively, it's the person doing the saying that needs to take care first.
I don't think that the best way to tackle racism is to insist that some people must be shoehorned into speaking some homogenous language with approved words that belong to another language. Football is an international game that brings together far more people than it divides and it recognises that the differences in cultures and languages is vast. Education and the recognition and celebration of these differences is a better way, not forcing everybody to be the same. That road just leads to a huge tangled web of semantics as more and more words are identified as unacceptable. The word black is not inappropriate and to be nervous of using it to describe a car or a horse (or a labrador) just demonstrates how stupid it is already getting.I can't understand how europeans with a word for black that is a derivative from the latin 'nigreos' are not aware that it is a dangerous word to use. I mean a UEFA official ref must be fairly worldly wise, and know this. I barely speak any spanish but I am acutely uncomfortable using the spanish word for black even in innocuous circumstances like talking about a black car or horse or anything. Surely anyone from these countries that travels knows not to call anyone black.
that isn't quite what I'm saying, when you talk to people of other language and culture, you need to temp how you communicate, that's common sense because misunderstandings can easily happen.I don't think that the best way to tackle racism is to insist that some people must be shoehorned into speaking some homogenous language with approved words that belong to another language.
Yes but that's just use of a word, not a nuance or subtlety. Like I said, there is a bigger debate about calling a person of colour "black". However if you believe, as I do, this is acceptable then its acceptable regardless of what language you use.that isn't quite what I'm saying, when you talk to people of other language and culture, you need to temp how you communicate, that's common sense because misunderstandings can easily happen.