Priorities in a pandemic

Pak_Doo_Ik

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#21
I sometimes think we need to be careful with glib responses like, children in Africa are starving. I get the sentiment and we do all need to be grateful for what we have, but sometimes somebody moaning is a cry for help. As mundane as eye lashes treatment might be to the majority, to some it is very important and to just pass it off with a 'get over yourself' remark may not always be the right response.

If people are moaning at least they are communicating and that has to be better than bottling things up.
 

Holgatewall

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#22
Bullying is carried on through the workplace for many, it's not just social media.

Economic bullying was a choice we made as a nation in the 80s, as was confining the kids to higher education. I'm sure most would love the opportunities we had at 16 then decided to dispense with in exchange for cheap goods.
Yes I think when I was younger I was bullied in the workplace and intimidated by the older guys. We just thought it was the norm.

I wouldn't swap my experiences then for how the young uns have it now.

Getting back to the original question I dont see how some of the crowds outside and inside pubs can be a good thing.
 

wilkos_perm

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#23
Young people now have different set of problems and priorities than we had.

It often seems that they are less happy even though they have so much tech nowadays. Bullying in my day ended at the school gates,now it is carried out on social media.

It seems that they want it all,(didn't we at their age)? University,good job, house ,car,fancy holidays etc.No problem with people having ambitions but they should be realistic and know these things are not attained without a work ethic.They criticize the Oldiies for having had the benefit of buying houses etc cheaply.We had to work from age 16 to get our posessions. No going to Uni for most of us.
Plenty of young people have a strong work effort. The generalisation of the "young" is as misguided as any other generalisation whether around colour, gender etc. Also younger people are raised by the generations above them, and their environment shaped by those generations. It's the young who'll now suffer more than most with the economy suffering. Limited graduate jobs, the prevalence of zero hour contracts etc etc.

It's also younger generations driving many movements against climate change and discrimination, the idea they don't know about the world or lack empathy doesn't stack up.

(Only the bit about work ethic was in response to Holgate's post)
 

Laughing

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#24
Obviously you have never worked with young people who moan all day about their boyfriend / making a round of tea / netflix / opening the window / the central heating in the office / customers / their dinner / the meal they had last night in the pub/ their car / their mam/ their dad/ the price of everything / how crap their night out was last Saturday....... 8 hours a day 5 days a week.... Eventually you snap and remind them about people in Africa and how good they have it but they don't realise
As I said, I don't disagree with the sentiment, I disagree with it doing any good. I have 4 grown up kids and a 9 year old, so yes I get it. I just don't think the comparison is "real" enough. You wouldn't tell a homeless man to stop bitching, he has bins full of left over takeaways to eat.
 

WindyNook

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#25
Young people now have different set of problems and priorities than we had.

It often seems that they are less happy even though they have so much tech nowadays. Bullying in my day ended at the school gates,now it is carried out on social media.

It seems that they want it all,(didn't we at their age)? University,good job, house ,car,fancy holidays etc.No problem with people having ambitions but they should be realistic and know these things are not attained without a work ethic.They criticize the Oldiies for having had the benefit of buying houses etc cheaply.We had to work from age 16 to get our posessions. No going to Uni for most of us.
The children now love luxury,the have had manners ,contempt for authority. They show disrespect for elders and love to chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants not servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents and they tyrants their teachers
Attributed to either Socrates or Plato but certainly written at that time.

Every generation has probably been a disappointment of the one preceding them and yet we seem to make progress socially and scientifically. I have great hope for my descendants and the world will continue to make progress in the future despite the problems we face today
 
#26
Yes I think when I was younger I was bullied in the workplace and intimidated by the older guys. We just thought it was the norm.

I wouldn't swap my experiences then for how the young uns have it now.

Getting back to the original question I dont see how some of the crowds outside and inside pubs can be a good thing.
The last two Saturdays I've been in the beer garden of my club. They've built an outside bar, have table service if requested and paid with a card at the end of the session. Tables well spaced and gazebos in case of too much sun/rain. Can't fault them. Inside they've cut the capacity down with safe distancing and no bar service.

I haven't heard of a local pub going out of their way to provide the same so I'm giving them all a miss for the foreseeable future.

Haven't been to the local restaurant yet but will be having a look in now that they're up and running again.

I want to support pubs and restaurants as much as possible but I want them to do the right things first.

I don't care if a business closes if it's not doing its best.
 

Laughing

Well-known member
#27
The children now love luxury,the have had manners ,contempt for authority. They show disrespect for elders and love to chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants not servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents and they tyrants their teachers
Attributed to either Socrates or Plato but certainly written at that time.

Every generation has probably been a disappointment of the one preceding them and yet we seem to make progress socially and scientifically. I have great hope for my descendants and the world will continue to make progress in the future despite the problems we face today
I read the first part Windy, and I was mentally preparing my response, thankfully I read the whole post first. You are right, when we talk about music, or sport, or society, there is a way of looking back and remembering very differently to how it actually was.
 

Holgatewall

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#28
Plenty of young people have a strong work effort. The generalisation of the "young" is as misguided as any other generalisation whether around colour, gender etc. Also younger people are raised by the generations above them, and their environment shaped by those generations. It's the young who'll now suffer more than most with the economy suffering. Limited graduate jobs, the prevalence of zero hour contracts etc etc.

It's also younger generations driving many movements against climate change and discrimination, the idea they don't know about the world or lack empathy doesn't stack up.

(Only the bit about work ethic was in response to Holgate's post)
Yes i accept that. To say their work ethic is inferior was wrong.

I think expectations are different in some respects and there is an aspect of ' I'm alright jack' in regards of the distancing when in pubs and public places.

But would our generation have been any different?

We knew it all as well.

We are faced with a once in a lifetime situation and the responce needs to be positive on all sides of the generation gap.
 
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