Post vaccination lockdown exit strategy

Muttley said:
What would be the point of an Exit Strategy?

Even the harshest critic of this Government can see there is little point. There are still too many unknowns. In so much as there is a strategy it will go along the lines of that outlined last spring, a gradual easing and re-tightening of restrictions as infection rates go down (or up). It is important not to focus solely on the vaccine. Treatments for COVID are also improving so that we can expect to be able to treat future outbreaks more efficiently.

Oh and "Lockdown" is not the only restriction possible. Perhaps we will see mask wearing on public transport continue next winter? Would that be so hard?
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I really hope that is all he means, but yes, it could be something fairly inconsequential like that, but if that's all it was, would he bother to go on record about it now?
 
We can't continue to do hokey-cokey lockdowns for the forseeable.

What we've got to realise us that there is a tsunami of job losses, health emergencies that have been delayed and long term mental health effects to come whenever we get back to some sort of normality.

I'd also say that if we're still in some sort of tier system come the summer, we have a hot spell and people want to get out, then I can see widespread disorder.
 
TheYorkshireTerrier said:
Can they just stop with specific dates or occasions? Have they not learnt from what happened at Christmas.
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Yep, makes no sense to pick a random calendar date, the date would have to line up with the vaccination rate. At Easter, only the first few people, who were vaccinated would be getting their second jabs.
 
Tommy_Dickfingers said:
health emergencies that have been delayed and long term mental health effects to come
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You know where the biggest mental health problems will be?

The NHS, doctors and nurses are working absolutely flat out and cracks are appearing; when it all eases up then the PTSD will kick in because make no mistake what some of these people are doing will haunt them for the rest of their lives so we absolutely need to take the load off them. If that means a protracted lockdown then let's do that. The "mental health crisis" mooted by some "Anti-maskers" is largely imaginary but this will be very real and long lasting.
 
Muttley said:
The "mental health crisis" mooted by some "Anti-maskers" is largely imaginary
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Really Mutley? I would love you to be right, but I suspect all evidence points to the contrary, unless you have some reports that I haven't seen.
 
Laughing said:
Very eloquently put Atypical. The heartless comment was to anyone personally effected by covid. It is horrible loosing someone and I would imagine we have all been in that situation at some point in our lives so can sympathise. I didn't want to upset anyone with, what appeared to be, a thoughtless comment.
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Laughing, how is your daughter? You posted a few weeks back that she was poorly with covid, as was my son, he's fine back at work now
 
Pretty sure that Witty said there is a possibility we MAY have restrictions next winter, rather than there WILL be restrictions next winter.

To be honest, I think there will be, but only in that people will be asked to mask up when shopping/using public transport etc etc.
 
Laughing said:
Really Mutley? I would love you to be right, but I suspect all evidence points to the contrary, unless you have some reports that I haven't seen.
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The reports I have seen show mental health problems at roughly seasonal levels, statistically, which is not to say that they are trivial just that the "crisis" of massive mental health problems is not showing (perhaps not showing yet?)yes there are individual and desperately sad stories of people taking their lives because they have lost their job or their business has failed but no avalanche of cases.
 
Muttley said:
You know where the biggest mental health problems will be?

The NHS, doctors and nurses are working absolutely flat out and cracks are appearing; when it all eases up then the PTSD will kick in because make no mistake what some of these people are doing will haunt them for the rest of their lives so we absolutely need to take the load off them. If that means a protracted lockdown then let's do that. The "mental health crisis" mooted by some "Anti-maskers" is largely imaginary but this will be very real and long lasting.
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Largely imaginary?
How so?
It's not a competition to see who's mental health is affected the most.
 
TBH when I first read about Witty's comments they probably weren't in context. I've just re-read an Independent article about them and they don't sound too bad. I really hope it is just some kind of low-level mask wearing or whatever.
 
Erimus74 said:
Laughing, how is your daughter? You posted a few weeks back that she was poorly with covid, as was my son, he's fine back at work now
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Erimus she is fine, my other daughter caught it also and she is recovering nicely, good news all round. Thanks for asking, and good to hear your son is back to his best.
 
Muttley said:
The reports I have seen show mental health problems at roughly seasonal levels, statistically, which is not to say that they are trivial just that the "crisis" of massive mental health problems is not showing (perhaps not showing yet?)yes there are individual and desperately sad stories of people taking their lives because they have lost their job or their business has failed but no avalanche of cases.
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That's interesting. You do mention that "not yet" You would have to imagine that we are storing up mental health problems for later on, be that NHS workers, people being isolated or just us all having increased levels of anxiety.
 
Laughing said:
That's interesting. You do mention that "not yet" You would have to imagine that we are storing up mental health problems for later on, be that NHS workers, people being isolated or just us all having increased levels of anxiety.
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Exactly, in some ways this is analogous to the WW2 experience in that we're all in it together and that helps. It's also why there is such a negative reaction when people like Cummins and celebs break the rules. Real leaders understand this (again there are multiple WW2 examples). If you consider PTSD it is called "Post Traumatic" because it manifests AFTER the trauma. That is when we need to watch out for one another when the immediate threat has passed.
 
Muttley said:
Exactly, in some ways this is analogous to the WW2 experience in that we're all in it together and that helps. It's also why there is such a negative reaction when people like Cummins and celebs break the rules. Real leaders understand this (again there are multiple WW2 examples). If you consider PTSD it is called "Post Traumatic" because it manifests AFTER the trauma. That is when we need to watch out for one another when the immediate threat has passed.
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I agree with this and I also think that we'll see the effects of mental health issues in the general public after everything that has gone on.

My feeling is that this isn't just about all the people who have historically had issues and have sought help and/or know how to guide themselves through it, but the people who will keep it all bottled up as they have never felt like this before.
 
Tommy_Dickfingers said:
My feeling is that this isn't just about all the people who have historically had issues and have sought help and/or know how to guide themselves through it, but the people who will keep it all bottled up as they have never felt like this before.
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Amen Tommy.
 
Muttley said:
Read it slowly Randy.
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Read what slowly?
You've alluded to the mental health issues that those in hospitals will and are suffering from. That is undisputed, this whole pandemic has been very difficult on them. It just sounds like you were saying the issues those in those working on the front lines in the NHS would for want of a better word outweigh the mental health issues those who aren't on the front lines will and are inevitably suffering from.
 
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For me the number of people infected + vaccine + seasonal effects should mean we can 'open' society by the end of April.

My fear is we loosen restrictions incredibly slowly over spring and summer and then jump back in come September resurgence of the rhinovirus then flu season.

A question all of the people who believe vehemently in lockdowns should ask is...
At what point does it become about authoritarian power Vs public health?

Is there a point at which we stretch the fabric of whats left past breaking point?

What level of censorship of debate are you comfortable with?

I really hope that the vaccines are the end of it and for me that creates a deadline, a this is when we really should see 'normality' return. We should all be thinking about these things.
 
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