Politics may be changing

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Phil Morehouse posted a video today showing some very powerful reasons to suggets that the political landscape is shifting. Not just in the Uk but more wilder. He suggests that the conservatives here and more generally around the world are done.

It's worth a watch as we head in to a new year.

 
I wish. Looks like the nats ( National party) our version of the Tories are going to sneak in later this year.

It’ll be a shame but here comes austerity and lower taxes, worse public servants and ‘working harder’ to get ahead.

This last one I particularly abhor, especially for those working 2 jobs and still can’t make ends meet.
 
NZBoro1 said:
I wish. Looks like the nats ( National party) our version of the Tories are going to sneak in later this year.

It’ll be a shame but here comes austerity and lower taxes, worse public servants and ‘working harder’ to get ahead.

This last one I particularly abhor, especially for those working 2 jobs and still can’t make ends meet.
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yes, but ....

Your near neighbour has a labour government and tomorrow, with the Lula inauguration, I think that most of South America has left wing governments (or less right than they were - Peruvian fella being impeached of course). Maybe NZ is just a Tory outlier in the South Pacific?
 
Call me cynical but in my experience "working harder" never improved my circumstances. I took all the courses that companies offered, worked all the overtime and unpaid hours that was asked of me. Worked away from home and paid my own living expenses with no help from the company. Yet when push came to shove I was always at the front of the compulsory redundancy queue. Family owned firms were the worst because no matter how hard you work, you will never get in front of the boss's son/daughter. It took a long time for the penny to drop. I worked my contracted hours and not a minute more. I was called uncooperative, awkward, commie bstd. Many a time management quoted my contract, saying that it stated that I should work reasonable amounts of overtime when requested. Asking for a definition of "reasonable" elicited an accusation of awkwardness. Maybe I have just been unlucky although I do know of a number of other people with the same experience.
 
masquesmog said:
yes, but ....

Your near neighbour has a labour government and tomorrow, with the Lula inauguration, I think that most of South America has left wing governments (or less right than they were - Peruvian fella being impeached of course). Maybe NZ is just a Tory outlier in the South Pacific?
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NZ- you never know. If Boro can come from behind to win so can the Labor party in NZ🤞
 
Trug said:
NZ- you never know. If Boro can come from behind to win so can the Labor party in NZ🤞
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Fingers crossed Trug, I live in hope that the population here see sense and realise what a good thing we have at the moment.

Labour have been in for 6 years now and unfortunately some of the things they wanted to do just haven’t come off. Who knows what we would have been like with a blue govt.

NZ is a small c naturally conservative country, but like the uk.
 
Laughing said:
Phil Morehouse posted a video today showing some very powerful reasons to suggets that the political landscape is shifting. Not just in the Uk but more wilder. He suggests that the conservatives here and more generally around the world are done.

It's worth a watch as we head in to a new year.

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That’s enough about wilder 🤣
 
Zoophonic said:
The Conservatives may be done or if you read todays papers maybe not. Here is a depressing article to kickstart 2023.
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Incredible but not surprising that there are red walkers who would still vote for this bunch of charlatans who are bringing the country down on its knees. A party that appeals to the base selfish needs of people. jingoism, greed and self preservation.
 
Abel Tasman said:
Incredible but not surprising that there are red walkers who would still vote for this bunch of charlatans who are bringing the country down on its knees. A party that appeals to the base selfish needs of people. jingoism, greed and self preservation.
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A great summary
 
They’re not done at all

It’s a cycle . If the left have power for a bit , people get tired of them and the right gets in again . Repeat the same process with the right

I also feel my generation (millennials ) have also never seen a socialist government either . Attitudes soon change when they’re in an they try to implement their policies. Labour have historically struggled to win a consecutive term when their government is socialist .

Just happy if Labour win it’s a moderate and not corbyn . Far more comfortable with that than the hard left
 
By the time the next election comes around the RWM will be in overdrive telling us all what a fantastic job the Tories have down over the last 5 years, how they got BrEXit dun, singlehandedly defeated Covid and have the countries finances in tip top order.

And people will believe them. Lots of them.🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️
 
I think there is a problem in the U.K. in that the right wing propaganda machine has successfully confused the working class vote into thinking the Tories are somehow on their side but at the same time the complete failure of Tory and capitalist policy is there for everybody to see for themselves regardless of which newspaper or social media stream they follow.

Quite frankly it’s a bit of a mess when you throw in our historical cap doffing mentality.

That said, if it took a one off single vote winner like Brexit to get the Tories their first decent majority for 40 years they have no chance at the next election.
 
Zoophonic said:
The Conservatives may be done or if you read todays papers maybe not. Here is a depressing article to kickstart 2023.
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I don't think I can take that article too seriously. It doesn't really give a single, solid reason for polls to be wrong. Who are these wavering voters and are they saying don't know in polls? It's a bit fluffy, to say the least.

Tories promised those red wall voters that we would take back control of our borders. It eally didn't work out too well. The telegraph did a walk round those red wall seats and everyone they spoke to said immigration was worse than it was before brexit. It isn't as it happens, it's just fron t and center as the tories take away all options for immigrants but rubber dinghies, but that is neither here nor there. Peception is everything.

There is no way we do not have a labour majority and a good working one at that.
 
BobUpnDown said:
Left & right can both be morally & politically corrupt.. both can be as bad for the populous as the other..

Two party states with swings to extreme ideology under single, despot / tosspot, leaders is where change is needed imho.. broader coalition of parties & policies: cooperation not confrontation..
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I agree but it's not going to happen in our lifetime. neither extemes work and some free market policies work, just not for basic life services. Moving to the extreme left makes people uncomfortable too and they ask how we pay for it. I am, of course, ignoring a tory government that continually borrows more than labour and claims fiscal responsibility whilst handing tax payers money over to crooks.
 
NZBoro1 said:
I wish. Looks like the nats ( National party) our version of the Tories are going to sneak in later this year.

It’ll be a shame but here comes austerity and lower taxes, worse public servants and ‘working harder’ to get ahead.

This last one I particularly abhor, especially for those working 2 jobs and still can’t make ends meet.
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My sister lives in the wyru valley and continually laments the electorate in NZ. There are poorly educated people all over the world, that much is certainly true.
 
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