Police to be supported by the military

xxlshirts_fit_all said:
Having seen first hand how young marines act when given a bit of authority in public, this is the last thing I want to see....

They're trained for battlefields or providing logistic support but they are not police and it would lead to a lot of issues...

Use them to back fill spaces to allow more front line coppers but keep them off the streets...
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Once people start buying all the toilet roll you'll wish there was a bloke on the door with a machine gun.
 
With the use of soldiers comes the justification by politicians that those who break the rules are "a minority" / "anarchists" / "trouble-makers" / etc.
Denial of peoples rights to protest is anti-democracy.
YOU CANT SACRIFICE LIBERTY FOR NATIONAL SECURITY!

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Juninho10 said:
Unfortunately it needs to happen - it's the only way people will 'take it seriously' in my opinion

Get a few machine guns on display patrolling if needed, the wearing of masks and social distancing will soon happen
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What a worrying statement. I hope you are being sarcastic.
 
Military Aid to Civilian Authorities [MACA] is a LAST RESORT.

In current circumstances, that is, with Britain not being run by a military government or in a state of martial law, help from the forces can only be requested in response to a request from national government or local councils.
This provision is known as Military Aid to the Civil Authorities (MACA), which can be given in support of civilian authorities, other government departments or the community as a whole.
Last resort
There are three criteria for the provision of MACA:
  • Military aid should always be the last resort. The use of mutual aid, other agencies, and the private sector must be otherwise considered as insufficient or be unsuitable.
  • The Civil Authority lacks the required level of capability to fulfil the task and it is unreasonable or prohibitively expensive to expect it to develop one.
  • The Civil Authority has a capability, but the need to act is urgent and it lacks readily available resources.
It is important to note, however, that all operations have to be conducted within both civil and military law, with any failure to do so potentially resulting in criminal and/or civil law proceedings being brought against individuals or the Ministry Of Defence.
During peacetime, members of the Armed Forces - unlike the police and some other civil agencies - have no powers over and above those of the ordinary citizen, with the same duty as anyone else to abide by the law at all times.

https://www.forces.net/news/storms-emergencies-how-uk-military-response-decided

The failure of Civilian Government cannot be compensated by trained soldiers equipped with body armour, armoured vehicles and the threat of the bullet.
 
RandySavage said:
Before my time. What occured then?
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Randy, it would stand you well to look into it.
Thatcher turned the army out, dressed in police uniforms, to beat up striking miners.
The media, as is their way, managed to twist this to "miners attacking police".
The end result being many strikers prosecuted for their part and having their lives ruined.
 
Piccadilly Day Tripper said:
Its all empty rhetoric to help with Johnson's imagery that we're in the middle of 'a war'. Easy to say, unlikely to be used.
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No.

You may be aware some specialist units are well trained in Riot Control and Disruption in Civil Defence capacity and ready to deploy at a moments notice.

"The Ministry of Defence is to double the size of the military’s civil contingency unit to create a 20,000-strong Covid support force, the defence secretary has announced.

An additional 10,000 troops will be added to the 10,000 routinely held at higher readiness in case of a civil emergency, and reservists could also be called up, Ben Wallace said on Wednesday.

There are fears about the ability of the police and NHS, which are both already at full stretch, to deal with the scale of the crisis. While the government has been reluctant to highlight such a bleak prospect, the armed forces need to be prepared for the threat of a breakdown in civil order given that troops have been deployed in other countries to enforce lockdowns and prevent looting of shops.

Wallace [Defence Secretary] said measures had been taken to enable the callup of reservists. Capacity has been freed up by the cancellation of training exercises overseas, including in Kenya and Canada, some at the request of host governments, to aid their attempts to prevent the spread of Covid-19. British troops on overseas operations have also had rest and recuperation cancelled.

Maj Gen Charlie Stickland, the assistant chief of the defence staff (operations and commitments), said: “Putting more personnel at a higher state of readiness and having our reserves on standby gives us greater flexibility to support public services as and when they require our assistance."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ops-to-join-british-armys-covid-support-force
 
Lifelonfaninexile said:
Randy, it would stand you well to look into it.
Thatcher turned the army out, dressed in police uniforms, to beat up striking miners.
The media, as is their way, managed to twist this to "miners attacking police".
The end result being many strikers prosecuted for their part and having their lives ruined.
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Lifelonfaninexile said:
Randy, it would stand you well to look into it.
Thatcher turned the army out, dressed in police uniforms, to beat up striking miners.
The media, as is their way, managed to twist this to "miners attacking police".
The end result being many strikers prosecuted for their part and having their lives ruined.
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Bloody hell that's crazy. Could that happen in this day and age though with social media and everybody having access to a camera?
 
Man_On said:
What a worrying statement. I hope you are being sarcastic.
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Why is it a worrying statement?

I never said they were going to open fire?

It's purely to show this is a serious issue - no one respects the police or the social distancing people they have going around - the army will command more respect
 
Juninho10 said:
Why is it a worrying statement?

I never said they were going to open fire?

It's purely to show this is a serious issue - no one respects the police or the social distancing people they have going around - the army will command more respect
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I once asked a police intelligence friend of mine if the submachine guns the police were carrying when GW Bush came to Sedgefield were loaded (I'd been talking to one of them). His reply was "Of course they are, what's the point if they're not?"

What could possibly go wrong?
 
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