Police Brutality

Alwaysaborolad said:
These people involved are now trying to milk the situation for all it's worth. They assaulted police officers and were dealt with appropriately,

Now the papers and some on here are playing the racist card, it's not acceptable for anyone to attack police officers, and it was not a racist attack.

What happened before the recording started? three officers allegedly were put in hospital, and a female officer with a broken nose.

Very one sided, biased reporting. The police were clearly reacting following several incidents, the offenders were resisting arrest, three police officers were punched/assaulted including a female officer, what are they supposed to do, just let it happen.
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The family are "traumatized". Just like when someone bumps into the back of another car and the insurance company pays out for 5 people with whiplash. ££££
 
Alwaysaborolad said:
what are they supposed to do, just let it happen.
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Absolutely not, no.
They are supposed to restrain and neutralise the alleged offenders with the appropriate and reasonable physical force necessary. Kicking someone in the face with steel toe cap boots, then stamping on their head, while they are lying on the ground with hands by their side, is neither appropriate or reasonable.

Why are some people finding it so hard to understand that people can want offenders arrested for their actions, but at the same time want the police to behave professionally, with reasonable force, and not like a violent, out of control, thug?
I think some people on this thread seem to be assuming anybody who condemns the action of the police officers in question have therefore given those being apprehended a free pass. That’s really not the case, which should be clear.
 
I've just read on the BBC website that the police officer who stamped on the young lads head, was the same officer who pepper sprayed the other lad in a separate video.

He's obviously lost it completely and will face some tough questions over his actions. No way back for him.
 
Not sure what the legality is around releasing body worn footage, and not saying that seeing what happened in the buildup mitigates the officers actions afterwards.

But, I do think if they were able to release extended videos of the incident it might help to calm the wider situation.

The press and the former met chief superintendent seem to be wanting to stir racial division.
 
outoftown said:
You would expect to have the luck of draw whether you lived or not , or had life changing injuries , whilst face down and restrained, post tazering for breaking someones nose ?
You'd expect to be volleyed in the head, then stamped on with some toe capped boots ?

I don't think you actually would .
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If a man is sick enough to attack a woman, especially a police officer I think you would expect to end up in a fair bit of danger as a consequence.

Don’t behave like a criminal and you don’t end up in these kind of situations. It’s a fairly simple concept
 
MolteniArcore said:
I have no sympathy for a police officer kicking someone in the head as shown on the circulated videos.

I have no sympathy for someone who has punched a police officer and broken their nose, especially a female officer.

What I do hope is that a full investigation is conducted quickly and the appropriate action taken. And that any people arrested are properly investigated and if there is a case to answer are charged.
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That is the only reasonable perspective and there is nothing there I can argue with.

But 40 years of cynical experience tells me that they will throw the book at the one and whitewash the other.

By and large, the demographic of this board is, to put it politely, getting on a bit. Which means most of us went to football in the 1980s. if there is one thing that should have given us, it is a profound rejection of the idea that the innocent never get caught up in this and a profound rejection of the idea that a police state is desirable. The innocent always get caught up in a police state. And the way we were treated at times as away fans in the 1980s gave us an insight into the way a racist police force might have treated black men back then, and an insight into the way the GMP apparently still behave.

I was disgusted but I do not expect justice. And that is why my views continue to be formed, sadly, not by 40 years of solid law abiding, middle-class tediousness, but by the time in 1986 when my mate was taken away for no reason and giving a damn good kicking by the filth. I have never trusted them since and I never will. And that is what this sort of behavior creates. if it creates it in me, with all my social advantages, how much more should it create it in those who have already reason to distrust them?
 
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JM14 said:
If a man is sick enough to attack a woman, especially a police officer I think you would expect to end up in a fair bit of danger as a consequence.

Don’t behave like a criminal and you don’t end up in these kind of situations. It’s a fairly simple concept
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So if the officer who kicked the fella in the head , then stamped on him is arrested, for an assault based charge ..

You would think it would be okay for someone to kick him ( officer under arrest ) in the head , and stamp on his head wearing toe capped boots whilst he's lying face down then ?
 
I hope these comments are taken in peace. Police AFO training is a lot different to how normal police are trained. It's a lot more aggressive due to firearms being in a sensitive area. If you are outnumbered, you need to be in a position of advantage of the area. He went a bit far with it but AFO are the ones you see on news stories all the time and people say "they dont **** about"
 
JimboJenkins said:
If you are outnumbered, you need to be in a position of advantage of the area. He went a bit far with it but AFO are the ones you see on news stories all the time and people say "they dont **** about"
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2 lads and about 5 cops. Wasn’t out numbered and ‘a bit far’ isn’t correct neither is “stomp on prone peoples heads’ something they’re trained to do
 
JimboJenkins said:
I hope these comments are taken in peace. Police AFO training is a lot different to how normal police are trained. It's a lot more aggressive due to firearms being in a sensitive area. If you are outnumbered, you need to be in a position of advantage of the area. He went a bit far with it but AFO are the ones you see on news stories all the time and people say "they dont **** about"
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You are right firearms officers are given special training but it is concentrated on the use of reasonable force or what is termed proportional use of force to protect themselves and others. The training is not designed to end a conflict as quickly as possible.

The additional training the officers received should have reduced the risk of him stomping on a suspects head not increased it.

Your comment was taken in the way it was meant BTW.
 
The_Tiler said:
The family are "traumatized". Just like when someone bumps into the back of another car and the insurance company pays out for 5 people with whiplash. ££££
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Hopefully the female police office sues them personally for injury and every penning they get compo she gets of them. They should be entitled to nothing they put themselves in the situation by attacking police lets not forget that small bit
 
Omega said:
Hopefully the female police office sues them personally for injury and every penning they get compo she gets of them. They should be entitled to nothing they put themselves in the situation by attacking police lets not forget that small bit
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You don’t know who attacked the police or who even instigated the violence.

You’re being naive to say the least if you think police don’t have the capacity to both instigate unnecessary violence and cover up their actions.
 
Alzi said:
You don’t know who attacked the police or who even instigated the violence.

You’re being naive to say the least if you think police don’t have the capacity to both instigate unnecessary violence and cover up their actions.
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I am being naive I bet you they started the ones who were arrested. I bet it comes out that 1 or both of them have multiple convictions and are well known to the police. I do take on board what people are saying it was over the top as we do not see this everyday, The officer has or seems to have lost control but i bet that same officer has done more good and helped more people than most on here ever will. Their is people saying jail him take his livelihood away. This i do not agree with the man is only human and you can train all you want but till you deal with scum on a day to day basis we will never know what its like to have to deal with these type of people who cause trouble and cry like babies when they get a bit of rough justice back
 
Omega said:
i bet that same officer has done more good and helped more people than most on here ever will.
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I’m sure he’s done the job he’s paid and trained to do, yes. But then I’ve never tried to stomp on the back of a prone man’s head, so it’s swings and roundabouts really.

Omega said:
cry like babies when they get a bit of rough justice back
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He’s a cop, his job isn’t to dish out rough justice, that’s precisely the point of this whole debate
 
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