Polexit.

I do have some logic for that, not sure how good it is. If Polish citizens want to stay in the UK it may mean they are not that bothered whether the UK was in or out of the EU. This suggests a certain ambivalence to the EU generally.

I do know that it created a lot of anxiety when they did not know what would happen to the lives they had built here, which was shameful of our government.

I see. But I can't agree with the 'not that bothered' side.

Part of why the pain was so excruciating was that they had come under certain conditions, guaranteed by the EU and these went unguaranteed for a long time. If anything, Brexit is a perfect example of the issues that a government unfettered by the EU would have. Most Poles in the UK vote Civic Platform - so are quite liberal and will hate the idea of Law and Justice unconstrained by the EU.

I think lots would rather there was no Brexit, but they can't stop the UK from leaving. But they also won't abandon the lives they've built here. It's a horrible situation to have been put in.
 
Same with a group of friends I have. All very liberal, forward-thinking and European. They are constantly banging their heads against the wall regarding the actions of their own government, especially around a lot of issues regarding abortion laws they've been struggling with over there. They also introduced us to one of our now BBQ staples, Kielbasa.
Similar with the people I know. I can't speak highly enough of all of them. Really good blokes.
 
Similar with the people I know. I can't speak highly enough of all of them. Really good blokes.
Its probably true to say they tend to be much moe polite than some european nationalties, but I probably don't know enough to qualify that.

Whilst working in Krakow I met a huge number, but many were in bars or on trams, or just browsing round shops so not a great sample size.

Our polish friends are all lovely.
 
Primacy of EU law and the ECJ over domestic laws and appellate courts is a totally unacceptable situation in the long run.

Poland seems likeliest to depart the EU after us at the moment, as per the article below.

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Poland stokes fears of EU exit as court defies bloc over reforms​

Controversial Polish verdict on whether the EU can ban its legal reforms leads to warnings that 'Polexit' could be on horizon

ByJames Rothwell14 July 2021 • 8:42pm
European Union and Polish flags flutter in Mazeikiai, Lithuania


Poland's membership of the EU was plunged into uncertainty on Wednesday after its judges defied a European court order to reverse some of its controversial judicial reforms.
Stanisław Piotrowicz, a senior Polish judge, said that interim measures by the EU’s highest court, which ordered Warsaw to suspend the reforms, were “not in line” with the Polish constitution.
The defiant ruling is the first of two verdicts due to be issued this week by Polish judges which appear to question a fundamental requirement of EU membership: that EU law takes precedence over national laws.
The ruling prompted Guy Verhofstadt, a prominent MEP and former chief Brexit coordinator, to warn that Poland’s eurosceptic government was trying to drag the country out of the bloc.
“Against the wishes of the vast majority of Polish people who want an EU future, the populist governing PiS [Law and Justice] party is determined to take Poland out of the EU,” he wrote on Twitter.
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“Will anyone act to stop them before it is too late?” he added, and claimed that the rule of law in Poland was breaking down.
The Polish ruling came after the European Court of Justice [ECJ] issued an interim order for Warsaw to suspend its “disciplinary chamber” of the Supreme Court, which was part of measures to overhaul the Polish legal system.
Under the Polish reforms, which came into effect in February 2020, the disciplinary chamber has powers to strip judges of immunity and cut their salaries. The reforms also prevent judges from referring certain points of law to the ECJ.

Poland’s ruling Law and Justice party, a right-wing populist and eurosceptic movement, has clashed with Brussels for years over the hugely contentious reforms.
Warsaw has argued that the reforms will tackle corruption and root out Communist-era judges, but critics say the true purpose is to undermine the role of EU law and open the door to Poland quitting the EU.
Human rights groups are also concerned that the reforms would undermine the independence of the Polish judiciary as they could allow the government to expel judges on political grounds.
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A further confrontation with Brussels could erupt on Thursday, when Poland may issue another ruling which will decide whether EU law has primacy over Polish law.
MEPs reacted with shock to the ruling on Wednesday and raised fears of a looming “Polexit,” or Polish exit, from the EU.
"The refusal to implement rulings of the European Court of Justice in Poland is a clear step towards taking Poland out of the European Union," Jeroen Lenaers, a Dutch MEP said.
"We fear that the Polish government is on the path to Polexit," he added.
“We are in the process of a legal Polexit which is taking place step by step," Poland's independent human rights ombudsman Adam Bodnar told reporters after the ruling.
Former EU Council chief Donald Tusk, head of the Polish opposition Civic Platform party, accused the government of "leaving the EU".
"Only we Poles can successfully oppose this," he tweeted.
While Poland - which joined the EU in 2004 - is run by a staunchly eurosceptic government, polls have consistently shown strong support for remaining in the bloc.
What….so what sounds like an authoritarian Govt wants to take power from judges and maybe out of the EU and you think that’s a good thing because it might justify you being a Brexiteer.🙄
 
I’m currently training with a polish guy who stated that they will leave and rejoin the Warsaw Pact and ally them selves to the big bear again…

scary times and sad as the people don’t want it but have been conned by the minority elite…
 
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