Polexit.

Colin Warnek

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Primacy of EU law and the ECJ over domestic laws and appellate courts is a totally unacceptable situation in the long run.

Poland seems likeliest to depart the EU after us at the moment, as per the article below.

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Poland stokes fears of EU exit as court defies bloc over reforms​

Controversial Polish verdict on whether the EU can ban its legal reforms leads to warnings that 'Polexit' could be on horizon

ByJames Rothwell14 July 2021 • 8:42pm
European Union and Polish flags flutter in Mazeikiai, Lithuania


Poland's membership of the EU was plunged into uncertainty on Wednesday after its judges defied a European court order to reverse some of its controversial judicial reforms.
Stanisław Piotrowicz, a senior Polish judge, said that interim measures by the EU’s highest court, which ordered Warsaw to suspend the reforms, were “not in line” with the Polish constitution.
The defiant ruling is the first of two verdicts due to be issued this week by Polish judges which appear to question a fundamental requirement of EU membership: that EU law takes precedence over national laws.
The ruling prompted Guy Verhofstadt, a prominent MEP and former chief Brexit coordinator, to warn that Poland’s eurosceptic government was trying to drag the country out of the bloc.
“Against the wishes of the vast majority of Polish people who want an EU future, the populist governing PiS [Law and Justice] party is determined to take Poland out of the EU,” he wrote on Twitter.
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“Will anyone act to stop them before it is too late?” he added, and claimed that the rule of law in Poland was breaking down.
The Polish ruling came after the European Court of Justice [ECJ] issued an interim order for Warsaw to suspend its “disciplinary chamber” of the Supreme Court, which was part of measures to overhaul the Polish legal system.
Under the Polish reforms, which came into effect in February 2020, the disciplinary chamber has powers to strip judges of immunity and cut their salaries. The reforms also prevent judges from referring certain points of law to the ECJ.

Poland’s ruling Law and Justice party, a right-wing populist and eurosceptic movement, has clashed with Brussels for years over the hugely contentious reforms.
Warsaw has argued that the reforms will tackle corruption and root out Communist-era judges, but critics say the true purpose is to undermine the role of EU law and open the door to Poland quitting the EU.
Human rights groups are also concerned that the reforms would undermine the independence of the Polish judiciary as they could allow the government to expel judges on political grounds.
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A further confrontation with Brussels could erupt on Thursday, when Poland may issue another ruling which will decide whether EU law has primacy over Polish law.
MEPs reacted with shock to the ruling on Wednesday and raised fears of a looming “Polexit,” or Polish exit, from the EU.
"The refusal to implement rulings of the European Court of Justice in Poland is a clear step towards taking Poland out of the European Union," Jeroen Lenaers, a Dutch MEP said.
"We fear that the Polish government is on the path to Polexit," he added.
“We are in the process of a legal Polexit which is taking place step by step," Poland's independent human rights ombudsman Adam Bodnar told reporters after the ruling.
Former EU Council chief Donald Tusk, head of the Polish opposition Civic Platform party, accused the government of "leaving the EU".
"Only we Poles can successfully oppose this," he tweeted.
While Poland - which joined the EU in 2004 - is run by a staunchly eurosceptic government, polls have consistently shown strong support for remaining in the bloc.
 
I can only speak about my experiences whilst working in Poland.

For about a year, just before the pandemic hit I was spending about half my time in Krakow and there was a fair bit of curiosity in bars and with work mates about how brexit was perceived in the UK.

When chatting to locals most, but by no means all, thought we were a bit mad.
 
Beyond a minority of headcases spread out across the fringes of Law and Justice, United Poland and Konfederacja there is absolutely no interest in leaving the EU in Poland.

This is all because Kasczynski wants to change the courts to favour Law and Justice and it's finally come to a head.
 
Beyond a minority of headcases spread out across the fringes of Law and Justice, United Poland and Konfederacja there is absolutely no interest in leaving the EU in Poland.

This is all because Kasczynski wants to change the courts to favour Law and Justice and it's finally come to a head.
That wasn't really my impression, from, and admittedly, low number of folks I spoke to and all in one area.
 
I know quite a few Polish and all of them think this country was mad to leave the EU. Not one of them would vote to leave.
 
I bet Boris is frothing at the mouth at the prospect of securing a UK-Poland trade deal which will enable scores of migrant Polish sub-minimum wage workers to flock over and fill the "vacancies" (people who wont do cack jobs for sub minimum wages) in his corporate overlords ranks, whilst still keeping the rabid Brexit folk appeased that he is delivering what is best for Britain.
 
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I know quite a few Polish and all of them think this country was mad to leave the EU. Not one of them would vote to leave.
Same with a group of friends I have. All very liberal, forward-thinking and European. They are constantly banging their heads against the wall regarding the actions of their own government, especially around a lot of issues regarding abortion laws they've been struggling with over there. They also introduced us to one of our now BBQ staples, Kielbasa.
 
I bet Boris is frothing at the mouth at the prospect of securing a UK-Poland trade deal which will enable scores of migrant Polish sub-minimum wage workers to flock over and fill the "vacancies" (people who wont do cack jobs for sub minimum wages) in his corporate overlords ranks, whilst still keeping the rabid Brexit folk appeased that he is delivering what is best for Britain.
Over a million Poles have opted to stay in the UK using the EU settlement scheme.
 
Over a million Poles have opted to stay in the UK using the EU settlement scheme.
We have a few polish friends who have stayed in the UK. Generally their children were born here and I suspect that is what drove the desire to remain. However it does bring in to question those who think no Polish want to leave the EU.

One other thing, Polish is one of the few English words that changes pronunciation and meaning when you capitalize the first letter.
 
We have a few polish friends who have stayed in the UK. Generally their children were born here and I suspect that is what drove the desire to remain. However it does bring in to question those who think no Polish want to leave the EU.
I don't follow.

Your Polish friends want to stay in the UK - but what bearing does that have on Poland remaining in the EU?
 
I don't follow.

Your Polish friends want to stay in the UK - but what bearing does that have on Poland remaining in the EU?
I do have some logic for that, not sure how good it is. If Polish citizens want to stay in the UK it may mean they are not that bothered whether the UK was in or out of the EU. This suggests a certain ambivalence to the EU generally.

I do know that it created a lot of anxiety when they did not know what would happen to the lives they had built here, which was shameful of our government.
 
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