PMQ was a blast today

PMQs was a bit 'meh' today. I get that Starmer needs to avoid anything that would rally Tory MP's against the opposition, but he went nowhere near exposing Johnson. It was a scrappy victory, yet honestly, I am getting sick and tired of Starmer not hitting Johnson with knockout blows.

Also, it is about time Labour start advocating policies, ones that the Tories will never nick from them e.g. proportional representation, an elected H.O.L, right to recall MP's etc. Almost every interview now with a shadow cabinet member is solely about the windfall tax, and scrapping the NI rise. I don't know what is going on at Labour Party HQ, but it is about time they get bold with policies and stop relying on the government shooting themselves in the foot. Labour should be minimum 15-20 points ahead.
 
BeanBeany said:
I despise Boris and all those idiots in his party that continue to support him with their lies but Starmer was poor again today and I really don't see him as the next PM or the one after that even!
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I'm afraid Starmer is hopeless on his hind legs. I'd rather he got 1 question and gave the others to Ian Blackford
 
Expose all the Tories have done over the last 12 years, then Labour follow up with their policies in the run up to the next election. No real point in going into great policy detail right now as GE is far away and the wider public currently won’t be that interested.

Keep exposing and picking the Tories and the PM apart. Let him and them keep digging their own grave in the headline news.

It’s all about timing the surge right to win the next GE.
 
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mitch_at_merseyside said:
PMQs was a bit 'meh' today. I get that Starmer needs to avoid anything that would rally Tory MP's against the opposition, but he went nowhere near exposing Johnson. It was a scrappy victory, yet honestly, I am getting sick and tired of Starmer not hitting Johnson with knockout blows.

Also, it is about time Labour start advocating policies, ones that the Tories will never nick from them e.g. proportional representation, an elected H.O.L, right to recall MP's etc. Almost every interview now with a shadow cabinet member is solely about the windfall tax, and scrapping the NI rise. I don't know what is going on at Labour Party HQ, but it is about time they get bold with policies and stop relying on the government shooting themselves in the foot. Labour should be minimum 15-20 points ahead.
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They are opinion polling 23% ahead in Wakefield.
 
When people say things like “I’m no fan of Boris, but I don’t see Starmer as PM material”…

it’s usually to excuse their voting of the former because of a perceived lack of alternative…

Johnson is doing such a bad job, anything has got to be better than more of the disaster that he is overseeing…
 
xxlshirts_fit_all said:
When people say things like “I’m no fan of Boris, but I don’t see Starmer as PM material”…

it’s usually to excuse their voting of the former because of a perceived lack of alternative…

Johnson is doing such a bad job, anything has got to be better than more of the disaster that he is overseeing…
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I actually think it may just be not understanding politics, or buying into the tory rhetoric of, however bad we are, a labour snp alliance would be worse. Either doesn't cast folks in a sympathetic light.

For anyone who says they can't see Starmer as PM, no one has given a single reason why. Don't get me wrong, I am unhappy with some of Starmers machinations, but I am prepared to forgive him most things if it gets the tories out of power.

His line today "24 hours in A & E used to be a tv programme, now it's tory policy" was a great line, not because it was amusing, but because it is a great soundbite that the public can understand.
 
I watched PMQs and you'd think any PM would rather be thrown in a meat grinder than show up at PMQs so soon after Monday's embarrassing events. Just another wreck of a day in the reign of 'Boris'

I have absolutely no confidence whatsoever in Sir Keir Starmer. If a GE were called now, Labour would not win it. I honestly am confident saying that and it pains me to say it as a Labour voter. Any opposition should be surging ahead of this cringe-fest.

KS still gets my vote in the event he goes up against BJ, but for Christ's sake. Things just feel so hopeless. PMQs were relatively painless for BJ today bar the last question from KS, and everyone knew it would be regardless of the vote the other night.

That the PM has been allowed to get this far behaving in this manner while holding the highest office of the land is a fcking tragedy. The Tories have nothing to fear and it really would not surprise me if 'Boris' lasted longer than Thatcher.
 
xxlshirts_fit_all said:
When people say things like “I’m no fan of Boris, but I don’t see Starmer as PM material”…

it’s usually to excuse their voting of the former because of a perceived lack of alternative…

Johnson is doing such a bad job, anything has got to be better than more of the disaster that he is overseeing…
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People who say things like that are just Tories used to being around non-Tories (and hence hiding it). It's a waste of time trying to tickle their tummies; they'll be voting Tory whatever.
 
Cosmonaut said:
I watched PMQs and you'd think any PM would rather be thrown in a meat grinder than show up at PMQs so soon after Monday's embarrassing events. Just another wreck of a day in the reign of 'Boris'

I have absolutely no confidence whatsoever in Sir Keir Starmer. If a GE were called now, Labour would not win it. I honestly am confident saying that and it pains me to say it as a Labour voter. Any opposition should be surging ahead of this cringe-fest.

KS still gets my vote in the event he goes up against BJ, but for Christ's sake. Things just feel so hopeless. PMQs were relatively painless for BJ today bar the last question from KS, and everyone knew it would be regardless of the vote the other night.

That the PM has been allowed to get this far behaving in this manner while holding the highest office of the land is a fcking tragedy. The Tories have nothing to fear and it really would not surprise me if 'Boris' lasted longer than Thatcher.
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What would you have had Starmer focus on today then? The reign of Johnson is now firmly a party problem and going on about it will weary the electorate.

Today he wanted to talk about the crap state of the NHS and did so very well.

Oh and if there were an election tomorrow Labour would destroy the tories, unless you have some reason for thinking otherwise?
 
Cosmonaut said:
I watched PMQs and you'd think any PM would rather be thrown in a meat grinder than show up at PMQs so soon after Monday's embarrassing events. Just another wreck of a day in the reign of 'Boris'

I have absolutely no confidence whatsoever in Sir Keir Starmer. If a GE were called now, Labour would not win it. I honestly am confident saying that and it pains me to say it as a Labour voter. Any opposition should be surging ahead of this cringe-fest.

KS still gets my vote in the event he goes up against BJ, but for Christ's sake. Things just feel so hopeless. PMQs were relatively painless for BJ today bar the last question from KS, and everyone knew it would be regardless of the vote the other night.

That the PM has been allowed to get this far behaving in this manner while holding the highest office of the land is a fcking tragedy. The Tories have nothing to fear and it really would not surprise me if 'Boris' lasted longer than Thatcher.
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Starmer makes Johnson look like a chump nearly every week. However, with a nigh on 80 majority, a shameless liar for a PM, and a Tory party with no moral fibre, there is not a lot else he can do.

Labour have been comfortably ahead in the polls for months. They will win Wakefield in a canter. The lib dems are likely to take a seat with a 20k Tory majority. To suggest Labour wouldn't win an election tomorrow is a rather bold statement.
 
Cosmonaut said:
I watched PMQs and you'd think any PM would rather be thrown in a meat grinder than show up at PMQs so soon after Monday's embarrassing events. Just another wreck of a day in the reign of 'Boris'

I have absolutely no confidence whatsoever in Sir Keir Starmer. If a GE were called now, Labour would not win it. I honestly am confident saying that and it pains me to say it as a Labour voter. Any opposition should be surging ahead of this cringe-fest.

KS still gets my vote in the event he goes up against BJ, but for Christ's sake. Things just feel so hopeless. PMQs were relatively painless for BJ today bar the last question from KS, and everyone knew it would be regardless of the vote the other night.

That the PM has been allowed to get this far behaving in this manner while holding the highest office of the land is a fcking tragedy. The Tories have nothing to fear and it really would not surprise me if 'Boris' lasted longer than Thatcher.
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You do realise that Johnson’s current position is entirely in the hands of the Tory mp’s don’t you?

They had a chance to get shot of him the other day but decided to leave him in position.
 
equaliser said:
People who say things like that are just Tories used to being around non-Tories (and hence hiding it). It's a waste of time trying to tickle their tummies; they'll be voting Tory whatever.
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Yes you just have to accept 30% would vote for a donkey if it had a blue rosette stuck to it‘s backside.

There are a lot if cap doffers in this country who believe in and uphold the class system.
 
I think Starmer would win an election against Johnson. If the Tories get rid of him and replace him with someone that can distance themselves from Johnson then I'd be less confident.

I'm also in a similar position with Starmer as PM as I was with Warnock last season. Will be relatively safe and could definitely be worse but there is better available so might be worth a change. I just don't have confidence that as PM he would deliver the change that I think we need. I get the feeling he would maintain the status quo so while it would be a huge improvement on Johnson and the Tories it would be nowhere near as revolutionary as someone like Corbyn would have been.

I'm not suggesting he is changed right now but if he wins I'd like a maximum of 1 term before he hands over to someone more progressive (or demonstrates he can deliver that radical change himself).
 
While I understand people feeling the need to have a rip-roaring firebrand in Starmer's seat - only natural when someone like Johnson is sitting opposite - current polling does seem to show that the current tactic of basically letting him hang himself is working.
 
Cosmonaut said:
I watched PMQs and you'd think any PM would rather be thrown in a meat grinder than show up at PMQs so soon after Monday's embarrassing events. Just another wreck of a day in the reign of 'Boris'

I have absolutely no confidence whatsoever in Sir Keir Starmer. If a GE were called now, Labour would not win it. I honestly am confident saying that and it pains me to say it as a Labour voter. Any opposition should be surging ahead of this cringe-fest.

KS still gets my vote in the event he goes up against BJ, but for Christ's sake. Things just feel so hopeless. PMQs were relatively painless for BJ today bar the last question from KS, and everyone knew it would be regardless of the vote the other night.

That the PM has been allowed to get this far behaving in this manner while holding the highest office of the land is a fcking tragedy. The Tories have nothing to fear and it really would not surprise me if 'Boris' lasted longer than Thatcher.
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No offence intended but really it's reading posts like this one when I wish the board had a 🤡 reaction emoji.
There hasn't been a single poll in the last 6 months that hasn't had Labour being the largest party in a GE.
 
BoroFur said:
No offence intended but really it's reading posts like this one when I wish the board had a 🤡 reaction emoji.
There hasn't been a single poll in the last 6 months that hasn't had Labour being the largest party in a GE.
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I know. Forgive me, as it is a rather crackers thing to say.

But I don't trust in the polls. I am just saying, it really would not be a shock to me if Johnson lasted longer than Thatcher. I hope to be pleasantly surprised, that he doesn't and in the coming by-elections, the Tories take a pasting as well.

We'll see what happens. Drag my post up after the next GE :ROFLMAO:
 
If Starmer was anything like acceptapable he would be miles ahead , if this lot ar so bad he would be peeing it ??. he has had years to get into BJ , but is at best a few points ahead , sadly i feel he has to push policies because people do not trust them when they criticise ...but never offer a alternative policy.............he is just bland , no passion , had hopes for him , but by god what has he done !!!!!
 
Benjiboy said:
If Starmer was anything like acceptapable he would be miles ahead , if this lot ar so bad he would be peeing it ??. he has had years to get into BJ , but is at best a few points ahead , sadly i feel he has to push policies because people do not trust them when they criticise ...but never offer a alternative policy.............he is just bland , no passion , had hopes for him , but by god what has he done !!!!!
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People who give the line ‘should be miles ahead in the polls’ really doenst understand politics
 
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