Pete Doherty, who killed my son?

parmoboy said:
I doubt he passed out. He was kicked out and shortly afterwards he can be seen going back inside the building. Less than a minute after going back inside, he's seen falling from the balcony.

I'd say it's more likely he was beaten unconscious and then thrown from the balcony.
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If he was beaten unconscious he would have been covered in cuts and bruises surely? Would have had to have been knocked out clean to at least just look like he could have been hit earlier etc, not so simple to do for most skinny indie kids on gear etc.
 
atypical_boro said:
Or someone has knocked him unconscious and he’s fallen off the balcony. I would actually doubt if Pete was capable of it.

Either way, hopefully Mark knew nothing about it. Just can’t imagine how his mother feels.
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Pete was a skinny lad back then wasn't he, seems unlikely he could pick someone up and lift them over a balcony, especially if he had been on the booze/ gear (which was probably extremely likely of that time).

I can understand why the mother of course would want some justice for her son, as from what I've read there doesn't seem like much evidence for him committing suicide. But, also, I don't get why the documentary has been addressed at Doherty? Seems like it's just using his name to get air time/ hits, which is fair enough for her son, he deserves that, but Pete doesn't deserve to be directly pointed at, just because he was at the party. It might have been Pete's "bodyguard" who seems a bit of a gearhead nutter, but were they even in the same room etc? You never know, Pete might have said throw him out the window, back then there would have been a queue of people willing to do whatever he said, not just his "bodyguard".

I'll have to watch the documentary to get a bit more context.
 
Andy_W said:
Pete was a skinny lad back then wasn't he, seems unlikely he could pick someone up and lift them over a balcony, especially if he had been on the booze/ gear (which was probably extremely likely of that time).

I can understand why the mother of course would want some justice for her son, as from what I've read there doesn't seem like much evidence for him committing suicide. But, also, I don't get why the documentary has been addressed at Doherty? Seems like it's just using his name to get air time/ hits, which is fair enough for her son, he deserves that, but Pete doesn't deserve to be directly pointed at, just because he was at the party. It might have been Pete's "bodyguard" who seems a bit of a gearhead nutter, but were they even in the same room etc? You never know, Pete might have said throw him out the window, back then there would have been a queue of people willing to do whatever he said, not just his "bodyguard".

I'll have to watch the documentary to get a bit more context.
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Pete was intimidated by Mark, he more or less admitted so in his book. Mark was 6 foot 5 and had Pete pinned up against the fireplace. He was shouting in his face, telling him that he should attend his play. Pete asked Johnny Headlock to help him and I believe Headlock and Roundhill then escorted Mark out of the flat.

If you watch the CCTV footage, Mark exits the building and appears to be walking away, then he suddenly stops, turns back around and seems to be looking up towards the top of the building. I reckon at this point Roundhill and Headlock will have been shouting down to Mark from the balcony, taunting him, which has then provoked Mark into going back inside the building. There will have most likely been a scuffle on the stairwell, and you can make your own mind up as to what happened next.
 
Andy_W said:
Pete was a skinny lad back then wasn't he, seems unlikely he could pick someone up and lift them over a balcony, especially if he had been on the booze/ gear (which was probably extremely likely of that time).

I can understand why the mother of course would want some justice for her son, as from what I've read there doesn't seem like much evidence for him committing suicide. But, also, I don't get why the documentary has been addressed at Doherty? Seems like it's just using his name to get air time/ hits, which is fair enough for her son, he deserves that, but Pete doesn't deserve to be directly pointed at, just because he was at the party. It might have been Pete's "bodyguard" who seems a bit of a gearhead nutter, but were they even in the same room etc? You never know, Pete might have said throw him out the window, back then there would have been a queue of people willing to do whatever he said, not just his "bodyguard".

I'll have to watch the documentary to get a bit more context.
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Pete probably did say 'get him out of here', but probably didn't mean it literally.
 
parmoboy said:
Pete was intimidated by Mark, he more or less admitted so in his book. Mark was 6 foot 5 and had Pete pinned up against the fireplace. He was shouting in his face, telling him that he should attend his play. Pete asked Johnny Headlock to help him and I believe Headlock and Roundhill then escorted Mark out of the flat.

If you watch the CCTV footage, Mark exits the building and appears to be walking away, then he suddenly stops, turns back around and seems to be looking up towards the top of the building. I reckon at this point Roundhill and Headlock will have been shouting down to Mark from the balcony, taunting him, which has then provoked Mark into going back inside the building. There will have most likely been a scuffle on the stairwell, and you can make your own mind up as to what happened next.
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Who was the girl and other person Pete ran away with?
 
parmoboy said:
Pete was intimidated by Mark, he more or less admitted so in his book. Mark was 6 foot 5 and had Pete pinned up against the fireplace. He was shouting in his face, telling him that he should attend his play. Pete asked Johnny Headlock to help him and I believe Headlock and Roundhill then escorted Mark out of the flat.

If you watch the CCTV footage, Mark exits the building and appears to be walking away, then he suddenly stops, turns back around and seems to be looking up towards the top of the building. I reckon at this point Roundhill and Headlock will have been shouting down to Mark from the balcony, taunting him, which has then provoked Mark into going back inside the building. There will have most likely been a scuffle on the stairwell, and you can make your own mind up as to what happened next.
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Yeah, sounds like a pretty common chain of events. Could have been anyone heckling on the Balcony, could have even been Pete trying to be the hard man, from two stories up etc. Impossible to say for certain what happened, but it just adds more evidence to what seemingly didn't happen (suicide).

Doesn't seem like this is going to be a great performance from the cops, surely they should have been figuring this out and drilling it down when they had chance, when it was all relatively fresh. Hard to go back and figure this out with more accuracy 17 years later.
 
What is now quite apparent to me is that there isn't really any new evidence. All this stuff was already out in the public domain, perhaps apart from Roundhill being an informant.

This is from 2010!

 
atypical_boro said:
Who was the girl and other person Pete ran away with?
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Kate Russell-Pavier, who Pete had met that same day, and Headlock. They went back to the hotel Pete was staying in and the place got trashed. Headlock stabbed the Babyshambles guitarist with a fork following an altercation. The guy was clearly a headcase.
 
If one person falls from a person's balcony and dies it's probably an accident. If two people do on separate occasions it's not an accident.

A single expert witness dug up by a television programme with an agenda can't really be relied upon. Their evidence needs to be challenged by another expert.

The part he played in the play was of someone who died by being pushed from a window. You can see someone saying let's see how good you are at the part then and then shoving him off.

Didn't watch the programme but read about the incident. Even if you have the evidence that he's been pushed you don't have the evidence of who pushed him.

The programme referred to Pete Doherty to get people to watch it.
 
parmoboy said:
Headlock stabbed the Babyshambles guitarist with a fork following an altercation. The guy was clearly a headcase.
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Was this in the documentary?? I must have missed that bit!

Either way, seems pretty likely who threw the lad off the balcony! And he walks free, despite confessing...

I wonder what Met dirt Jonny Headlock is sitting on.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
If one person falls from a person's balcony and dies it's probably an accident. If two people do on separate occasions it's not an accident.

A single expert witness dug up by a television programme with an agenda can't really be relied upon. Their evidence needs to be challenged by another expert.

The part he played in the play was of someone who died by being pushed from a window. You can see someone saying let's see how good you are at the part then and then shoving him off.

Didn't watch the programme but read about the incident. Even if you have the evidence that he's been pushed you don't have the evidence of who pushed him.

The programme referred to Pete Doherty to get people to watch it.
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I don’t see the problem naming Doherty in the title. He was involved or knows who did it.
 
Andy_W said:
If he was beaten unconscious he would have been covered in cuts and bruises surely? Would have had to have been knocked out clean to at least just look like he could have been hit earlier etc, not so simple to do for most skinny indie kids on gear etc.
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He was covered in bruises. He had a black eye. He also landed on his head, with no injuries to the limbs, which suggests he didn't use any protective reflexes.
 
parmoboy said:
No, that's Roundhill, who gave himself the title of Pete's literary agent.

He's scum of the earth.

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Jerry Sadowitz.. a guy who seems to know a lot about what goes on.

Your friend Mark Blanco died in circumstances that some people, but not the police, are describing as suspicious. Could you tell us a bit more about that case?

If you go to www.justiceformark.com that will tell you everything you need to know. I hope as many people as possible will help Mark's mother in any way they can, even if it's just writing to the Metropolitan Police to remind them what a bunch of dodgy incompetent ***** they all are. I mean if you can't secure a conviction from the blindingly obvious, then someone is either corrupt as hell or too incompetent for the job.
 
“It’s perfectly obvious to anyone with a brain what happened to Mark Blanco and by whom. It is additionally Outrageous that you cannot make a statement because some of the world’s most awful scum also have the most money to fight you legally and then actually WIN.

The pain that this is causing Mark’s mother can’t be described. Ive lost one of my best friends, and I can assure the Sunday Times readers that this country has lost a potentially great author, wit, and unique talent to say the very least. Additionally, the message that went out to the lowest rung of society is this: “If you want to be succesful, take crack cocaine and advocate it to youngsters as a means of publicity because you cannot actually write decent material. Then, whatever heinous crime you commit, claim that you cannot recall exactly what happened because you were “out of it”. Finally, do your worst in an area where the local police are known to be bent, in the area of drug dealing.

Well done, England..another nail in your own coffin.”
 
Yep he was a police informant.

The bodyguard wasn't your typical 'big bloke' either, he looked like a little scutter but if you're willing to stab someone with a fork or throw them off a balcony I guess someone will employ you.
 
Two people could throw an unconscious body over a balcony. One could have been the chap who confessed to doing it.. the other could have been the chap who left the flat with him.. the guy who already had a guy die from a fall while visiting.

Doherty asking his bodyguard to deal with him? Hmm.. then writing a song about it and filming the music video in the flat.

Two or three murderers?
 
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