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Alzi said:
And Mcgree sent off the other week.

Swings and roundabouts.
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McGree probably wouldn't have been sent off given the high bar they're using this season.

Been about 3 tackles as bad as or worse in the last few weeks where VAR has stuck with the referee's yellow card.

The Blackburn goal would be ruled out for offside every single time though.
 
I know blaming referees is an easy excuse when we don't do well, but I don't remember a season where I have left a game this often thinking how bad the referee was. It must be getting on for 10 of our games already. Honestly, PGMOL needs ripping up. Standards are worse than I ever remember and it seems to have become accepted and normalised; you never see or hear of referees or assistants being publicly reprimanded. I get that these things probably happen behind closed doors and probably rightly so, but if it was put in the public domain once in a while it would give people slightly more confidence that they at least attempting to make things better. At the moment it just seems jobs for the boys; even in the Premier League the same officials are making regular high profile mistakes but continue to get the best appointments. Its infuriating.
 
Sky pundits thought it was a penalty. Its example of where luck/bad luck does play a part in football.
 
The reffing standards are nowhere near as bad as some people make out. They get most things right, they get some things wrong like any human.
They get criticised more and more as footage is more easily available.
Years ago we'd all see a tackle or an offside decision once in the stadium, the same as the referee. People would have a whinge in the stands and then it was forgotten because we didn't have as much access to footage and multiple replays from different angles. By the time you got home you'd forgotten about it.

But when people whinge about referees every single week and slate every decision against us as if it was match defining then it just becomes white noise. Especially when they fail to mention all the ones that go for us.
 
B_G said:
The reffing standards are nowhere near as bad as some people make out. They get most things right, they get some things wrong like any human.
They get criticised more and more as footage is more easily available.
Years ago we'd all see a tackle or an offside decision once in the stadium, the same as the referee. People would have a whinge in the stands and then it was forgotten because we didn't have as much access to footage and multiple replays from different angles. By the time you got home you'd forgotten about it.

But when people whinge about referees every single week and slate every decision against us as if it was match defining then it just becomes white noise. Especially when they fail to mention all the ones that go for us.
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I actually disagree with this, especially the last part. While nobody is going to particularly complain when a bad decision goes in our favour, we should all have in the back of our mind that it could be us next time, or in a play off final or promotion decider. The game is far more technical and tactical than even 10 years ago, so of course that comes with increased demand on referees. Refereeing "howlers" from back in the day, think Roy Carroll throwing the ball in his net for Man Utd, the way Man Utd brutalised Arsenal when they ended their long unbeaten run after the invincible season, Lampard against Germany, are remembered so clearly even now because they were comparatively rare. Now most football fans are almost desensitised to it. Admittedly a big part of this is footage is every almost immediately, but even so, you watch the Champions League, Europa League or Conference League, and the continental referees, in addition to the way UEFA operate VAR, is lightyears ahead of the English game. There is a reason and English referee hasn't been appointed to a major European or International final for over a decade, despite them working in the self proclaimed "greatest league in the world" every week.
 
Mayor Goldie Wilson said:
I actually disagree with this, especially the last part. While nobody is going to particularly complain when a bad decision goes in our favour, we should all have in the back of our mind that it could be us next time, or in a play off final or promotion decider.
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Or just accept it as part of the game. Decisions go for and against you. Some weeks you'll get a big one for you and some weeks you'll get a big one against you. Every week you'll get a couple of minor ones that you feel go the wrong way. So what... Teams get what they deserve over a season. Same posters whinging every week like we are so hard done to.

Of course be big decisions that are made in big matches and sometimes they'll be wrong and they will be harder to swallow... Sometimes you will benefit from them. Just take the rough with the smooth.
Some of biggest moments have came from big decisions that refs got wrong.

The Chesterfield goal that wasn't awarded - We would never have played in that FA cup final against Chelsea
The double tap penalty in the carling cup final - We would never have lifted our only major trophy and kickstarted our European adventure
 
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Alzi said:
And Mcgree sent off the other week.

Swings and roundabouts.
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But most importantly, correct decisions. I'd welcome that, whether they go for us or against us.

Anyway, in the case you mention, McGree was almost immediately subbed off for Hamilton, and on balance I think I'd rather he'd been sent off and we'd played with 10.
 
futureboy said:
But most importantly, correct decisions. I'd welcome that, whether they go for us or against us.

Anyway, in the case you mention, McGree was almost immediately subbed off for Hamilton, and on balance I think I'd rather he'd been sent off and we'd played with 10.
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Fair points!
 
B_G said:
Or just accept it as part of the game. Decisions go for and against you. Some weeks you'll get a big one for you and some weeks you'll get a big one against you. Every week you'll get a couple of minor ones that you feel go the wrong way. So what... Teams get what they deserve over a season. Same posters whinging every week like we are so hard done to.

Of course be big decisions that are made in big matches and sometimes they'll be wrong and they will be harder to swallow... Sometimes you will benefit from them. Just take the rough with the smooth.
Some of biggest moments have came from big decisions that refs got wrong.

The Chesterfield goal that wasn't awarded - We would never have played in that FA cup final against Chelsea
The double tap penalty in the carling cup final - We would never have lifted our only major trophy and kickstarted our European adventure
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This ⬆️
 
B_G said:
The Chesterfield goal that wasn't awarded - We would never have played in that FA cup final against Chelsea
The double tap penalty in the carling cup final - We would never have lifted our only major trophy and kickstarted our European
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The fact you've had to use two examples that have both long been debunked hasn't really helped your cause.

It's been proven time and again that this stuff doesn't equal itself out.

"Bigger" teams get more decisions in their favour.

"Smaller" teams get more detrimental decisions.

Boro might even out as we're a bigger fish on our league but these instances are against specific teams so getting something in our favour against e.g. Plymouth won't actually even out the points difference between us and Leeds or Blackburn.
 
Scrote said:
The fact you've had to use two examples that have both long been debunked hasn't really helped your cause.

It's been proven time and again that this stuff doesn't equal itself out.

"Bigger" teams get more decisions in their favour.

"Smaller" teams get more detrimental decisions.

Boro might even out as we're a bigger fish on our league but these instances are against specific teams so getting something in our favour against e.g. Plymouth won't actually even out the points difference between us and Leeds or Blackburn.
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I'm not sure what you mean about both of those examples being debunked..? Zenden touched the ball twice. It would have been ruled out with VAR. Chesterfield shot crossed the line. Would have been given a goal with goal line technology.

But I'm not really bothered if every decision evens out over a season or further to an exact quantity... I'm really not. Decisions are part of the game.
What I said is teams will get what they deserve over the season. 46 games is enough for the teams that have performed the best to find their way to the top and the poorest teams to fall to the bottom.
 
B_G said:
I'm not sure what you mean about both of those examples being debunked..? Zenden touched the ball twice. It would have been ruled out with VAR. Chesterfield shot crossed the line. Would have been given a goal with goal line technology.

But I'm not really bothered if every decision evens out over a season or further to an exact quantity... I'm really not. Decisions are part of the game.
What I said is teams will get what they deserve over the season. 46 games is enough for the teams that have performed the best to find their way to the top and the poorest teams to fall to the bottom.
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The Chesterfield shot came after the ref had already blown for an infringement. There's video evidence on youtube.

The Zenden penalty was discussed at the time with a top ref (Ellery?) and the fact he hit it with both feet at the same time meant it was legal (apparently). I seem to recall a discussion where they'd changed the laws around it when something similar happened a few years ago.

Teams clearly don't get what they deserve.

A smaller team might end up losing double-figures worth of points. You're essentially saying that the bad refereeing that puts you in a low position in the table is justified by the fact you're in a low position in the table. It's logical spaghetti.
 
Scrote said:
The Chesterfield shot came after the ref had already blown for an infringement. There's video evidence on youtube.

The Zenden penalty was discussed at the time with a top ref (Ellery?) and the fact he hit it with both feet at the same time meant it was legal (apparently). I seem to recall a discussion where they'd changed the laws around it when something similar happened a few years ago.

Teams clearly don't get what they deserve.

A smaller team might end up losing double-figures worth of points. You're essentially saying that the bad refereeing that puts you in a low position in the table is justified by the fact you're in a low position in the table. It's logical spaghetti.
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I think you are right, and whilst the best team may get clear at the top, a little further down just a point or two can be the difference between play offs and nothing.
 
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