P&O Ferries suspends all services

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but P&O Cruise line is separate to the Ferry’s

The Cruise line is owned by Carnival

I worked on ships for two years and I was on $10 a day in the casino

However we made a fortune on tips out of Miami going to the Caribbean - Best time of my life!!
 
SmallTown said:
Explain to me why this didn't help the situation? Given this wouldn't have been allowed under EU employment laws
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I think you need to read your own link properly. This is taken from the bottom of the link:

Time and again, I have come across unscrupulous employers outsourcing work to agencies that pay lower wages and allow fewer rights to their workers than permanent employees receive. From hotel maids, office cleaners and carers working under shoddy agency conditions, to gig economy workers like Uber drivers and Deliveroo couriers fighting for labour rights, I have reported on the many cracks and grey areas of UK employment rights over the years.

They existed before Brexit, and now it looks like they will persist after it – despite Boris Johnson’s promise of a high-wage, high-skill economy. (Indeed, the owner of P&O Ferries, a Dubai-based multinational called DP World, is also a major investor in the first post-Brexit freeport.) If staff can be laid off by multinationals like this, while agency workers – whether from the UK, Europe or beyond – can be made to fill in on the cheap, then Brexit has failed on its own terms.
 
SmallTown said:
Explain to me why this didn't help the situation? Given this wouldn't have been allowed under EU employment laws
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I have a couple of questions for people:

1) Have P&O only replaced British employees, or have EU employees also been sacked and replaced?
2) Does the fact that British passports only allow British employees to work in 1 country, when an EU passport allows them to work 27 make an EU employee a more valuable asset?
 
JM14 said:
Wasn’t the entire point of brexit to prevent something like this happening?
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Depends in your perspective, to many wealthy individuals and companies it was to allow something like this to happen.

Either way it’s another example of fire and rehire tactics that Labour tried to stop but got talked out by the Tories. This government will say how bad this is while preventing laws being brought in to stop it.

This is the version of the UK the Tories want.
 
Chris_Boro said:
This is the version of the UK the Tories want.
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exactly read some of Jacob Rees-Mogg's dad's books or influential people on neo-liberalism like Robert Nozick. It's exactly what they want, small government, little in the way of powers of protection for the masses.
 
Same_as_before said:
Again I agree, but you are aware that profits pay for new ships.
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I am not sure it does, or at least directly anyway.

profits pay dividend to shareholders or stock buy backs. A healthy profit statement means companies have access to favourable finance which enables them to borrow and "invest" in new ships etc.

and these are new ships built in the far east by and large

The whole sorry P+O thing stinks to high heaven, and corporate balance sheets and stakeholder dividends are king. We are all fooked. its like a rinse and repeat of the current price gouging the oil companies are doing.
 
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Billy69_uk said:
I am not sure it does, or at least directly anyway.

profits pay dividend to shareholders or stock buy backs. A healthy profit statement means companies have access to favourable finance which enables them to borrow and "invest" in new ships etc.

and these are new ships built in the far east by and large
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Again I was not defending it, it's a fact renewal is either by borrowings or using profits. There is no excuse for P&O behaviour.
 
BoroMart said:
1) Have P&O only replaced British employees, or have EU employees also been sacked and replaced?
2) Does the fact that British passports only allow British employees to work in 1 country, when an EU passport allows them to work 27 make an EU employee a more valuable asset?
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1) It appears that the same thing hasn’t happened to European seaman. The turnaround for ferries is relatively quick..and the crew wouldn’t have to leave the boat at all. It’s been no problem since January…purely about money.

2) A friend lives in France, on a residency permit, lived there for about 10-15 years and works in tech. He mainly works from home but would have to travel between to Paris Sweden, Amsterdam and London for the odd week here and there. Obviously Paris is still ok but other EU countries are out.
His company have been good, so far, but he’s obviously doing less hours.
He speaks fluent French and is applying for citizenship.
 
BoroMart said:
I have a couple of questions for people:

1) Have P&O only replaced British employees, or have EU employees also been sacked and replaced?
2) Does the fact that British passports only allow British employees to work in 1 country, when an EU passport allows them to work 27 make an EU employee a more valuable asset?
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I believe it's just the British employees. Regardless of the EU I can't see French employees being treated this way for example, not even slightly.

2: Undoubtedly. Which is why Latvian employees were drafted in to replace all the British employees. Good old brexit, the gift that keeps on giving.
 
This situation with P & O hasn't got anything to do with post brexit UK employment laws. It's seamen working on foreign flagged vessels, employed on foreign contracts by a foreign company. These aren't British jobs being taken by foreigners. To the shipping company its expensive foreign labour being replaced by cheaper foreign labour.
Appalling behaviour by P & O though and probably in breach of the Maritime Labour Convention which is the legislation that does apply.
 
Centralscrutinizer said:
This situation with P & O hasn't got anything to do with post brexit UK employment laws. It's seamen working on foreign flagged vessels, employed on foreign contracts by a foreign company. These aren't British jobs being taken by foreigners. To the shipping company its expensive foreign labour being replaced by cheaper foreign labour.
Appalling behaviour by P & O though and probably in breach of the Maritime Labour Convention which is the legislation that does apply.
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Yet they reached out to us for furlough funds and a bailout.
 
SmallTown said:
So you think it’s good that in Brexit Britain. 800 British workers can be replaced by foreigners thanks to a lowering of employment law? Go brexit!
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Where have I said that?
The tweet quite clearly states it's a problem with British employment laws. If I was one of the affected sailors/crew members I'd be staging a protest sit in on the ship.
 
Ziggy said:
2) A friend lives in France, on a residency permit, lived there for about 10-15 years and works in tech. He mainly works from home but would have to travel between to Paris Sweden, Amsterdam and London for the odd week here and there. Obviously Paris is still ok but other EU countries are out.
His company have been good, so far, but he’s obviously doing less hours.
He speaks fluent French and is applying for citizenship.
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Why can't your friend go to Sweden or Netherlands or any of the other EU countries?
 
Soutra said:
Why can't your friend go to Sweden or Netherlands or any of the other EU countries?
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He an English resident of France. There’s no such thing as EU visa. He would need a visa for each individual EU country. Hence one of the reasons why small-medium UK bands can’t afford to tour in the EU.
Visas cost money.
 
Randy said:
Where have I said that?
The tweet quite clearly states it's a problem with British employment laws. If I was one of the affected sailors/crew members I'd be staging a protest sit in on the ship.
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You didn't say that. You seemed to be whining about brexit being brought in to the thread. I was just explaining to you why it enabled this
 
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