P&O Ferries suspends all services

BlindBoyGrunt said:
You need help. Seriously you do.
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To sum up, you mentioned a group of people each following Moneterist beliefs, you said they had something in common and I said Moneterism, I went on to say I preferred Keynesian theory. You then said I did not know what Moneterist theory meant.

You then mentioned the Buzz phrase Neo Liberalism and I gave examples of people improving their lives by buying things, i.e. a micro example of that theory. You then lost the plot. To ease your mind I gave the official Macro ( not the trade shop ) description of that policy.

You then went on to say both Germany and Spain did not follow that policy and I said I worked in Spain for 12 years and thought they were similar to the UK. You then lost the plot again. So I put up the actual figures including proving Seville has a 50% poverty level of child poverty. I was surprised how bad Germany was.

Then you lost the plot again.
 
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Same_as_before said:
Some in fact most of that I agree with. Trains and buses could be renationalised tomorrow, I said this yesterday.

And then you write BS, Spain has shanty towns on the edges of some cities, the difference between rich and poor is far greater than here. You need to stop believing everything you read in Trotsky Today. Maybe go there, try a week in Benidorm.

I know what neo liberalism means as I read up on it, I never tried Trotsky Today though that's so passe.

Neo liberalism is today's buzz phrase of today's laughingly known Left. I know this as you and our anti British CtC use the term every day.

I also read the Labour party manifesto for 2019 and pretty much agreed with every word. It makes you wonder why people in the club I go to, for the record not based on religion, did not vote Labour for the first time, I was known as the left wing nut job. It's easy for people like you not to vote Labour, I can't do it.

On another note, the thread that was quite rightly removed, how is the apologist?
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Fag packet politics. Neoliberalism is far more than a buzzword and if that's the conclusion you've came to having read up on it then I suggest further reading. Although perhaps some serious background reading to create a context where you're able to understand neoliberalism would be a better starting point.
 
Brexit has resulted in less trade with Europe; therefore less ferry traffic, therefore less ferry revenue. It's not rocket science. Obviously Covid has also impacted, but many grants were available for that.
 
Big_Nothing said:
Fag packet politics. Neoliberalism is far more than a buzzword and if that's the conclusion you've came to having read up on it then I suggest further reading. Although perhaps some serious background reading to create a context where you're able to understand neoliberalism would be a better starting point.
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I have stopped myself saying this but I am taking a mature degree. A lot of that is Economics. I will let you explain Neo Liberalism in a short paragraph, you will do it much better than me. I simply tried to explain it at micro individual family effect.

I recently spent almost 6 months in both sides of Ireland, I am trying and will probably fail, a paper on the differences between the two countries economics and political theatre since the Easter uprising.


It's very difficult not to conclude in the obvious; the scale of the countries, the level of both immigration and emigration and the move in Ireland from agriculture to finance, and then of course the EU.

I transferred to a location near Dublin to do this, the company I work for were compliant even though I am bottom of the ladder. I even avoided the wonderful black stuff.

But I fully accept your opinion of me and people's opinion of my lack of intelligence it's a free country. My written English is shocking, fortunately my wife proof reads everything before I send it in.
 
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Same_as_before said:
I have stopped myself saying this but I am taking a mature degree. A lot of that is Economics. I will let you explain Neo Liberalism in a short paragraph, you will do it much better than me. I simply tried to explain it at micro individual family effect.

I recently spent almost 6 months in both sides of Ireland, I am trying and will probably fail, a paper on the differences between the two countries economics and political theatre since the Easter uprising.


It's very difficult not to conclude in the obvious; the scale of the countries, the level of both immigration and immigration and the move in Ireland from agriculture to finance, and then of course the EU.

I transferred to a location near Dublin to do this, the company I work for were compliant even though I am bottom of the ladder. I even avoided the wonderful black stuff.

But I fully accept your opinion of me and people's opinion of my lack of intelligence it's a free country.
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The problem was that you, in one of your earlier posts, attributed technical development to neo liberalism. Plainly wrong as countries that haven't embraced neo liberalism share the same benefits.

Northern Ireland, industrial revolution, backed by UKs wealth. In the same boat as many post industrial areas but have had enormous amounts of money thrown at them to buy votes.

Eire was and still is very much agricultural. Their success is not simply due to finance. Pharmaceuticals and other light industries were attracted there way back when Jack Lynch was leading the country. With very little in the way of natural resources (other than craic) it was the only way to go, and replaced the boom/bust motor industry.

They made the right decision to join the EU and having received benefits are now net contributors.

The long standing pro and anti agreement political structure is now being challenged by Sinn Fein, interesting times.
 
I will use that as my conclusion. My thesis is in UK and Ireland, I have no intention to scope it further. Neo Liberalism is only at the edges. But your potota is my potato
 
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Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
The problem was that you, in one of your earlier posts, attributed technical development to neo liberalism. Plainly wrong as countries that haven't embraced neo liberalism share the same benefits.

Northern Ireland, industrial revolution, backed by UKs wealth. In the same boat as many post industrial areas but have had enormous amounts of money thrown at them to buy votes.

Eire was and still is very much agricultural. Their success is not simply due to finance. Pharmaceuticals and other light industries were attracted there way back when Jack Lynch was leading the country. With very little in the way of natural resources (other than craic) it was the only way to go, and replaced the boom/bust motor industry.

They made the right decision to join the EU and having received benefits are now net contributors.

The long standing pro and anti agreement political structure is now being challenged by Sinn Fein, interesting times.
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It is obvious you are fiercely patriotic, I think it clouds your views. UK bad Ireland good, simply re read the above.

If you want a conclusion from me, it's simply scale, the UK since the 50's had high levels of successful immigration, I could look at the figures but I would guess numbers greater than the population of RoI.

From a personal point if view I would not p iss on SF, but I am not going there.

The issue you have with me is that you think I am thick, I may be but my opinion is no less valid than yours.

We have both written shoite on here, we will never agree on Ireland, to me it was unforgivable not to fight Hitler.

You have a different perception which is fine, just do not expect me to agree with it.

Incidentally there is a great argument that the Economic situation in the UK improved during periods of Labour Government. I am trying to apolitical in the study, but that is hard.

I would recommend the biography of Martin McGuiness, he comes across as a decent bloke who became a leader by accident. People asked him daft questions as ' why did you lie' answer 'if I told the truth I would have went to jail ' perfectly sensible. I am ignoring his IRA history as I think it's wrong, but understandable both sides did very bad things.
 
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Didn't Johnson rally his back bencherrs to vote down the bill to end fire and rehire. I am not sure whetherr it would have stopped P&O given the workers are essentially offshore but it, nevertheless, highlights a real problem with employment law.
 
It seems we the tax payer and not the Dubai sovereign wealth fund are on the hook for the gap in pensions at P & O.

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Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
The problem was that you, in one of your earlier posts, attributed technical development to neo liberalism. Plainly wrong as countries that haven't embraced neo liberalism share the same benefits.

Northern Ireland, industrial revolution, backed by UKs wealth. In the same boat as many post industrial areas but have had enormous amounts of money thrown at them to buy votes.

Eire was and still is very much agricultural. Their success is not simply due to finance. Pharmaceuticals and other light industries were attracted there way back when Jack Lynch was leading the country. With very little in the way of natural resources (other than craic) it was the only way to go, and replaced the boom/bust motor industry.

They made the right decision to join the EU and having received benefits are now net contributors.

The long standing pro and anti agreement political structure is now being challenged by Sinn Fein, interesting times.
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Name the countries. I checked the numbers. The UK had the biggest reparation costs after the US in WW2 at £120 billion. Ireland had none of those costs. Of course the policies were different we never stopped paying that for decades.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
Those ships have just had their safety seriously impacted.
You cannot just walk onboard a ship having never worked on it, and sail it. One or two new crew can be carried by those already there, but entire new crews is outrageous.
There will be nuances with equipment, ship evacuation launching systems, fire fighting systems, layout (which can easily take a week to learn on passenger ships), emergency response plans etc that those in safety critical roles get thorough handovers to learn about all that stuff before they are deemed sufficiently familiar to sail the ships.

This is putting profits above passenger safety and is highly dangerous, wreckless and completely irresponsible, not to mention absolutely disgraceful.
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Well this was inevitable.

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P&O ferry The European Causeway detained over safety concerns after 'failures' in training new crew

The coastguard says the European Causeway was held "due to failures on crew familiarisation, vessel documentation and crew training".
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FabioPorkpie said:
Well this was inevitable.

news.sky.com

P&O ferry The European Causeway detained over safety concerns after 'failures' in training new crew

The coastguard says the European Causeway was held "due to failures on crew familiarisation, vessel documentation and crew training".
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Aaaaaaand another one…. Inevitably.

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Another P&O ferry 'Pride of Kent' being detained after failing inspection

The Maritime and Coastguard Agency takes action against a second ship while a replacement crewmember on a P&O Ferries vessel tells Sky News there is an atmosphere of "panic" aboard.
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I would fine P&O daily for the traffic issues it's caused in Kent and for failing to provide a public service.

There must be another ferry company that can fulfill these sailings and take the place of P&O. If so, I would remove their operating licence from them.
 
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