Out of Work Managers - Gibson's Cheap MO

Alex-The-Kid said:
It’s totally different
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No it’s not btw we aren’t just talking about poaching managers we’re talking about negotiating approaching and paying compensation for. Which is what every other club in the would does. Inc Hartlepool

It’s madness.

Btw this ethical crusade will have no bearing on the other clubs poaching our manager.
 
Jedi boro said:
No it’s not btw we aren’t just talking about poaching managers we’re talking about negotiating approaching and paying compensation for. Which is what every other club in the would does. Inc Hartlepool

It’s madness.

Btw this ethical crusade will have no bearing on the other clubs poaching our manager.
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What? I understand how football management compensation and moving on works, I was saying the signing of football players and poaching managers are totally different things.
 
Chelsea approached Brighton for permission to speak to Potter.
After agreeing a deal with him they paid 5 million to Brighton to release him from his contract apparently. Don’t see what is wrong with that really. As said above is exactly same as signing a player.
 
I hope we go for Mckenna in the international break or Scott Parker hope we are approaching managers now as Wilders gone got me
 
fmttmadmin said:
Gibson has always stated that he does this out of principle - he does not think it right to poach managers under contract. Shouldn't we accept that as his motivation?
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Why? It’s significantly reducing the amount of good managers we can access. Not sure how it’s any different from signing a player who is under contract at his club
 
Yesterdays_Jam said:
I thought Daniel Farke would have been the man to come in before Wilder did. He got on well with Kieran Scott at Norwich and was out of work.
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Yep I thought he might. I do wonder if he might have been a better fit with the recruitment model we're supposedly trying to implement too.

Wilder is quite clear he only really wants British players or players with experience of the league. I thought part of the idea of appointing Scott was to improve our scouting network and cast the net wider?

An issue with Farke and many other names is that they're not British. And Gibson is notoriously very reluctant to appoint a foreign manager.
 
Guardiola and Klopp were out of work. As was Conte. And Lampard. And Steve Cooper. And Moyes, Hassenhüttl, Howe, Vieira, Lage, Silva and Marsch. As was Tomasson, Appleton, Jones, Robins, Bruce, Rosetta, Ince, Mowbray, Pearson, Smith, Arveladze, Morison.

A handful of the top 44 clubs’ managers were promoted from within, or Arteta(who was assistant elsewhere and promoted into his first job).

The blokes in work when appointed include ten Hag, Rodgers, Gerrard, Potter, Martin, Neil, Lowe, Kompany. How many of those could we have got? Of the ones we could reasonably expect to attract, who would we have got at the time they were appointed into their current job? Would anyone on here really been chuffed if we’d sacked Wilder in the summer and appointed Michael Beale or Russell Martin or Ryan Lowe?

This idea that Boro are the only club who try not to hire managers already in work is just nonsense. Most clubs operate like this.

It isn’t the reason we’re conceding goals or not signing the right players.
 
festa5 said:
Yep I thought he might. I do wonder if he might have been a better fit with the recruitment model we're supposedly trying to implement too.

Wilder is quite clear he only really wants British players or players with experience of the league. I thought part of the idea of appointing Scott was to improve our scouting network and cast the net wider?

An issue with Farke and many other names is that they're not British. And Gibson is notoriously very reluctant to appoint a foreign manager.
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He's doing well with a poor Mönchengladbach team at the moment 👌
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
This idea that Boro are the only club who try not to hire managers already in work is just nonsense. Most clubs operate like this.
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No it’s not nonsense it’s true.

As all the examples you gave were not out of a moralistic standpoint as every one of those clubs named has appointed managers in situ in the past.

Btw you even admit this in your post try not to hire ( where is the evidence for this) whereas we know for a fact that we will NOT hire anyone currently under contract at another club.

Big difference.
 
Jedi boro said:
No it’s not nonsense it’s true.

As all the examples you gave were not out of a moralistic standpoint as every one of those clubs named has appointed managers in situ in the past.

Btw you even admit this in your post try not to hire ( where is the evidence for this) whereas we know for a fact that we will NOT hire anyone currently under contract at another club.

Big difference.
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Of course it’s true, the evidence is in front of your eyes. All you need to do is check how many appointments involve out-of-work managers, it’s the overwhelming majority. It saves money and can be completed quicker. If a club can avoid spending money on compensation then they will.

Some clubs, like Chelsea or Manchester United, have enough to hire whoever they want. Others will occasionally want someone already in position snd decide to shell out. Most will see who’s out of work and decide from there. Or possibly dig around the backrooms and youth teams of Continental clubs.

Gibson might be the only one we know of doing it from a moral standpoint, but I don’t really see the issue TBH. McClaren, Robson and Karanka weren’t in work when we appointed them. Neither were any of three managers who won promotion from this division last season when their clubs appointed them.

It isn’t the reason we concede goals or have a gaping hole in our midfield.
 
Ipad1977 said:
I wouldn't be so sure on Dyche wanting to come here. If Wilder was to go then out of that lot, for our level and considering the relative rewards to possible outlay I'd prefer Bielsa.
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Bielsa could bring his very successful director of football, Victor Orta. Gazette would love that.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Of course it’s true, the evidence is in front of your eyes. All you need to do is check how many appointments involve out-of-work managers, it’s the overwhelming majority. It saves money and can be completed quicker. If a club can avoid spending money on compensation then they will.

Some clubs, like Chelsea or Manchester United, have enough to hire whoever they want. Others will occasionally want someone already in position snd decide to shell out. Most will see who’s out of work and decide from there. Or possibly dig around the backrooms and youth teams of Continental clubs.

Gibson might be the only one we know of doing it from a moral standpoint, but I don’t really see the issue TBH. McClaren, Robson and Karanka weren’t in work when we appointed them. Neither were any of three managers who won promotion from this division last season when their clubs appointed them.

It isn’t the reason we concede goals or have a gaping hole in our midfield.
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Erm Robson, McLaren and Karanka were all in work when we appointed them; they just weren't managers yet.
The point surely is that Gibson needlessly hamstrings himself by his stance re managers under contract.
 
Robson had retired from playing, not sure if his contract expired(it probably had) but he wasn’t in work as a manager. That was my point. McClaren was working as an assistant.

Karanka was out of work after Ancelotti replaced Mourinho.
 
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