One full season of Michael Carrick.

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The Card Cheat

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I think we've now had Carrick for 46 games, the equivalent of one full season.
If I've worked it out right we've got 82 points from 46 games. 87 scored 58 conceded. Considering we were awful before he took over and we lost a lot of our best players in the close season, that's very very impressive I'd say. Best start for us as a manager since Robson?
 
It's been brilliant. Thank you Michael Carrick for the ride.

As for as being best ever start.. I'm not sure. Aitor must have had something similar?
 
UgoAfro said:
Would that be enough for automatic promotion if it had been the same season? I could look it up myself of course.
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Unlikely with 82, though occasionally automatic promotion has gone as low as 79. Stoke under Pulis I think did that, but obviously that was a while back now.

Edit: also Hull went up with 79 in 2013
 
UgoAfro said:
Would that be enough for automatic promotion if it had been the same season? I could look it up myself of course.
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We have the best record of teams that are still in the Championship.

Sheff Utd went up with 91 last season.
Bournemouth 88 season before
Watford 91
WBA 83
Sheff Utd 89

Wouldn't have got us 2nd any of the last 5 seasons

Edit - Would have to go back to 2012/13 for us to get promoted on 82 points - Hull went up with 79 points and 15 defeats that year.
 
shame we had that horrible end to last season, load of dead rubber games, then the shocking start without a win in 7. still managed 82 points, including about 14 games barely winning one.
 
I heard a rumour earlier in the week emanating from the London Stadium.
Apparently Moyes is leaving in the Summer, and Michael Carrick is high up on their wanted list. I sincerely hope there is no truth in that tale, and he stays with Boro, regardless of whether we go up or not.
 
The Card Cheat said:
I think we've now had Carrick for 46 games, the equivalent of one full season.
If I've worked it out right we've got 82 points from 46 games. 87 scored 58 conceded. Considering we were awful before he took over and we lost a lot of our best players in the close season, that's very very impressive I'd say. Best start for us as a manager since Robson?
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Robbo also got 82 points in his first 46 games. Which got us promoted as champions.

Robbo's goal diff was +27, just ahead of Carrick's +26

Karanka got 76 points

Lennie got 80

Bruce got 78

Big Jack is the winner, he got the equivalent of 99 points in his first 46 games.
 
Beverleyred said:
I heard a rumour earlier in the week emanating from the London Stadium.
Apparently Moyes is leaving in the Summer, and Michael Carrick is high up on their wanted list. I sincerely hope there is no truth in that tale, and he stays with Boro, regardless of whether we go up or not.
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I'll believe it when I see it.
I don't think PL clubs look at championship managers unless they've got a previous record of cutting it in top flight football, or in European football.

Also, if there were any decision about Moyse, he'd be gone now. Clubs go into freefall with a lame duck manager; maybe fans consider 9th disappointing, but freefall it ain't.
 
Frozen Horse said:
I'll believe it when I see it.
I don't think PL clubs look at championship managers unless they've got a previous record of cutting it in top flight football, or in European football.

Also, if there were any decision about Moyse, he'd be gone now. Clubs go into freefall with a lame duck manager; maybe fans consider 9th disappointing, but freefall it ain't.
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It's incredible that Moyes gets the amount of stick that he does. West Ham were perrenial strugglers before he took over, he's finished 5th, taken them into Europe twice, and won there first trophy in 40 odd years.
 
Beverleyred said:
I heard a rumour earlier in the week emanating from the London Stadium.
Apparently Moyes is leaving in the Summer, and Michael Carrick is high up on their wanted list. I sincerely hope there is no truth in that tale, and he stays with Boro, regardless of whether we go up or not.
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I'm sure he is wanted by a lot of clubs. Best off here
 
In 2017 we got 88 points - I think and we were second. The number of points for second appears to be rising, probably due to the increasing amounts of parachute money given.

I agree Carrick's record has been very good - he didn't seem to need a honeymoon period. Like Big Jack, MC seemed to have inherited some very good young players - for example - Is Hackney a 2023 version of 1974 Souness? Isiah Jones, the new Armstrong? OK maybe not quite, but you get my drift.
 
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Frozen Horse said:
I'll believe it when I see it.
I don't think PL clubs look at championship managers unless they've got a previous record of cutting it in top flight football, or in European football.

Also, if there were any decision about Moyse, he'd be gone now. Clubs go into freefall with a lame duck manager; maybe fans consider 9th disappointing, but freefall it ain't.
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I don’t disagree with your comments FH, however, MC is apparently well thought of by the West Ham hierarchy, and with Moyes said to be retiring at the end of this season, MC is rumoured to be in the running.
 
Ash88 said:
Nathan Jones and Marco Silva are two which have moved from Championship to PL.
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Marco Silva's first management in England was in the PL. Though he was relegated with Hull, they did put up a good fight, which got him the job. He got 21 points in 17 matches: a massive improvement on their previous form, and would have been easily good enough to keep them up if he'd had all season. In short, he showed he could cut it in the PL.

Jones I'll give you, and he stands as a terrible warning to anyone else thinking about doing it!
 
The Card Cheat said:
It's incredible that Moyes gets the amount of stick that he does. West Ham were perrenial strugglers before he took over, he's finished 5th, taken them into Europe twice, and won there first trophy in 40 odd years.
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He gets stick based on his time at Man Utd where he was dealt an impossible hand. Look at all the world class managers that have been and also failed since he was there.

Moyes is a top PL manager
 
Frank Lampard moved from Derby to Chelsea.

Ex players with big reputations are also more likely to get opportunities. Not sure why. But it has always been the case.

Carrick will manage in the PL with Boro or another club within the next 3 years unless things go massively t!ts up for him over the next couple of seasons.
 
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