Omicron

My personal experience after testing positive 6 days ago - I am based in London so it is more than likely the omnicron variant based on how widespread it is here currently.

I tested positive for Covid 6 days ago (first time - not had it previously), like many others did at work after an outbreak end of last week. I'm late 30s, relatively fit and healthy, and have not been vaccinated (my choice not to, I don't mind what anyone else prefers to do with their body - their choice).

I've only had a slightly foggy head and a mildly blocked up nose that came & went in 48 hours; the same (or less) severity of symptoms as everyone else I know who has had Covid recently and whom mostly have taken said vaccine(s). As expected, being (relatively) young, fit and healthy meant I quickly bounced back and I feel I personally made the right choice… choice being the key word here, which everyone should have the option of, without coercion or threat to their ability to work / travel / shop / live their life.

I’d likely have felt more unwell each time I’d taken a vaccine, and I’d likely have still picked it up and potentially passed it on regardless. The vaccine appears to do nothing to halt transmission with omicron, based on what I am seeing all around me at the minute (as above, I am based in London, and I know of lots of people testing positive currently, mostly who are vaccinated). I am 99% certain I picked it up from someone who was triple vaccinated, and many others in my office have picked it up too, despite being double or triple vaccinated.

I am isolating and following the guidelines. Based on personal experience and what people I know with Covid currently are reporting, the symptoms do not seem as severe as previous variants that have been reported.
 
mymatelookslikephilstamp said:
My personal experience after testing positive 6 days ago - I am based in London so it is more than likely the omnicron variant based on how widespread it is here currently.

I tested positive for Covid 6 days ago (first time - not had it previously), like many others did at work after an outbreak end of last week. I'm late 30s, relatively fit and healthy, and have not been vaccinated (my choice not to, I don't mind what anyone else prefers to do with their body - their choice).
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If everyone had been as selfish as you society would have collapsed by now. You happy with that?
mymatelookslikephilstamp said:
I've only had a slightly foggy head and a mildly blocked up nose that came & went in 48 hours; the same (or less) severity of symptoms as everyone else I know who has had Covid recently and whom mostly have taken said vaccine(s). As expected, being (relatively) young, fit and healthy meant I quickly bounced back and I feel I personally made the right choice… choice being the key word here, which everyone should have the option of, without coercion or threat to their ability to work / travel / shop / live their life.
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If you'd have been ill enough to end up in ICU how would you feel about taking a cancer patients bed up?
mymatelookslikephilstamp said:
I’d likely have felt more unwell each time I’d taken a vaccine,
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Really? I've had 3 jabs and been fine. Is that what you've been scared of? What's you motivation for not getting jabbed?
mymatelookslikephilstamp said:
and I’d likely have still picked it up and potentially passed it on regardless. The vaccine appears to do nothing to halt transmission with omicron, based on what I am seeing all around me at the minute (as above, I am based in London, and I know of lots of people testing positive currently, mostly who are vaccinated). I am 99% certain I picked it up from someone who was triple vaccinated,
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How on earth do you know that?
mymatelookslikephilstamp said:
and many others in my office have picked it up too, despite being double or triple vaccinated.
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Do you think the jab stops you getting the virus? If so why.... nobody says that's the case.
mymatelookslikephilstamp said:
I am isolating and following the guidelines. Based on personal experience and what people I know with Covid currently are reporting, the symptoms do not seem as severe as previous variants that have been reported.
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Laughing said:
And once again Andy, that is not what I am saying. There is initial evidence, and more of it from SA than the UK. Everyone is dismissing SA for some reason, which I don't understand. When it comes to infectious disease they are one of the best equipped in the world to study and form opinions.

We aint gonna agree, you have an opinion, mine is a little different to yours. That headline is at best unbalanced. The wording is aimed at one thing only, and it isn't to encourage caution.
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If Whitty was South African then there wouldn't be any doubt.
 
Hi zzzzz,

Thanks for your angry response. I've replied below.

zzzzz said:
If everyone had been as selfish as you society would have collapsed by now. You happy with that? How do you come to that observation? Also, I said personal choice based on my circumstances. If I was 60 and my health was in a different state, I may think differently. I also wouldn't judge a mid 30's healthy person for not taking it, if I was 60 and decided to.

If you'd have been ill enough to end up in ICU how would you feel about taking a cancer patients bed up? Highly unlikely hypothetical situation.

Really? I've had 3 jabs and been fine. Is that what you've been scared of? What's you motivation for not getting jabbed? I prefer not to inject something in my body that is still in clinical trial stage, and one that all manufacturers are exempt from any liability should anything go wrong. I am confident in my immune system to fight off infection, based on being young, fit and healthy, and looking after myself. I think I have proved myself correct.

How on earth do you know that? As I said, I was basing my comment on personal experience currently around me, a lot of people are testing positive, regardless of vaccination status. Most with symptoms similar (or worse) to mine.

Do you think the jab stops you getting the virus? If so why.... nobody says that's the case. Why are you so adamant I should personally take it then if it doesn't stop catching or spreading it?
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Laughing said:
And once again Andy, that is not what I am saying. There is initial evidence, and more of it from SA than the UK. Everyone is dismissing SA for some reason, which I don't understand. When it comes to infectious disease they are one of the best equipped in the world to study and form opinions.
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Nobody is dismissing it (or should be), it just needs to be used with extreme caution. They have had 75% infection of Delta, very recent, nobody boosted (25% doubles), lots of young cases in Omicron etc, they're quite different to everywhere else, and very, very different to us.

Their deaths and hospitalisations are still doubling weekly, which is what you would expect for similar severity, even with the previous infection and vax covering them 90% better than nothing would. For comparable infection, we should expect that their hospitalisations and deaths are around 10x lower than Delta, this just proves the vaccines and previous infection halts severe disease. We should see maybe 100x lower hospitalisations comparing young/ previous infected with old, not previous infected etc, it's just evidence of previous coverage, not evidence that it's less severe (not yet anyway).

This is just Guateng, the red circled data is incomplete, so will still go up. Hospitalisations for the week info will be on a 1-2 week lag, deaths likely 3-4 week lag.

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The only way to compare Delta and Omicron for severity is to compare it in cases who have had no prior infection, and in the same age groups, and SA don't have that data, and it's not comparable to our data, this is why we're using our data and our data shows it's no less severe.

Read this thread (after the match)
https://twitter.com/x/status/1471942131539484675
James is very much a centrist and really knows his data, especially UK data.

Like I keep saying, we don't know, as we just don't know. I hope it is less severe, but it doesn't mean that calling less severe now would be right based on evidence, it would have just been a fortunate guess. I really hope it is less severe, and will share the **** out of that evidence when/ if we get it. We will know next week in all likelihood, with our own data, which is second to none, and obviously most relevant.
 
mymatelookslikephilstamp said:
I tested positive for Covid 6 days ago (first time - not had it previously), like many others did at work after an outbreak end of last week. I'm late 30s, relatively fit and healthy, and have not been vaccinated (my choice not to, I don't mind what anyone else prefers to do with their body - their choice).

The vaccine appears to do nothing to halt transmission with omicron, based on what I am seeing all around me at the minute (as above, I am based in London, and I know of lots of people testing positive currently, mostly who are vaccinated). I am 99% certain I picked it up from someone who was triple vaccinated, and many others in my office have picked it up too, despite being double or triple vaccinated.

I am isolating and following the guidelines. Based on personal experience and what people I know with Covid currently are reporting, the symptoms do not seem as severe as previous variants that have been reported.
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You're 1000x less risk, than those over 70. Even with vaccines covering them 90%, they're still 100x more at risk than you are. You're not a good example for how well protected people are.

Symptoms of the old are less severe, as the vaccine is booting 90% of them into touch, doesn't mean the variant is less severe, it mainly means protection is better.

The jabs do limit transmission, especially those boosted (maybe around 25%-50%), which is why it is growing in the younger (>20) age groups first, and less in the older age groups, on a sliding scale. Limiting spread by 50% won't do much against something which spreads 4x faster though.
It's not quite as fast in the <20's as nearly all of them have been exposed to covid in the last few months (that was driving our recent Delta wave), they've started vax too.
 
mymatelookslikephilstamp said:
Hi zzzzz,

Thanks for your angry response. I've replied below.
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Thanks for replying
Blunt yes, angry no.
Although I could understand you thinking that, trying to defend the indefensible.
Like I said if everyone adopted your attitude millions would be dead and society would have collapsed by now. Have you seen the dead bodies in the streets pre-vaccination in Italy and the Army collecting them like dead meat? Astonishing that you think all would be OK without the jab.
You thinking that the only motivation for getting the jab is to stop it spreading explains how your ignorance has fed your selfishness.
Thankfully the vast majority of the rest of us understand and accept our socail responsibility.

I will say though at least you have the bollox to stand up and be counted and despite the above I respect you for that at least.
I also don't advocate forced vacination and also respect your right to choose. I just think your freedom should be restricted and fully support the Covid Passport to that end.
 
zzzzz said:
People who take the jab then continue to spread the conspiracy theories are just either on a wind-up, attention seekers or are full on Frauds.
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Did you see the Robert Kennedy Jnr house party? I hope it’s true

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Throwing a Christmas party is a good way for Robert Kennedy Jr to relieve the stress that comes from leading the anti-vaccine disinformation campaign. And please be a good little anti-vaxxer and get your COVID shot when you RSVP yes

Throwing a Christmas party is a good way for Robert Kennedy Jr to relieve the stress that comes from leading the anti-vaccine disinformation campaign. And please be a good little anti-vaxxer and get your COVID shot when you RSVP yes
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Ignore the fact its in the spectator. This exchange happened on Twitter and has quite frankly left me staggered.

www.spectator.co.uk

My Twitter conversation with the chairman of the Sage Covid modelling committee

The latest Sage papers have been published, envisaging anything from 200 to 6,000 deaths a day from Omicron depending on how many more restrictions we’ll get — up to and very much including another lockdown. Earlier today I had an unexpected chance to ask questions of Graham Medley, the chair of...
www.spectator.co.uk www.spectator.co.uk
 
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Is this the one where the modeller basically admits that the Government decide on a policy then instruct them to come up with a model that fits it??
 
Randy said:
Nailed it. Read the twitter exchange. It's outrageous.
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Just read that. It seems that modelling isn't used to drive the decision making process, but that the decision making process drives the modelling. It's a little @rse about face. Maybe I am missing something, but I don't think so.
 
magic said:
the Government decide on a policy
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So the question then arises, what is the actual goal of the policy? Since we know it bears little relation to reality. Scaring people shitless comes to mind - but to what end?
 
It’s incredible. I find it hard to see how Whitty, Vallance, Van Tam and co can continue after this, but I’m pretty sure it will be conveniently swept under the massive carpet and the government will press ahead with the next lockdown, or circuit breaker, or whatever büllshït name they give it.
 
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