OLED TV's......

S7DiscoDown

S7DiscoDown

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Thinking of upgrading my TV in the next few weeks. I want to make the plunge and get an OLED (LG).

That said ive been looking at them for weeks and still keep reading 'burn in' horror stories. The general gist I read is that if you use the TV 'normally' and reduce static images you'll be fine? I won't be sitting on sky news for 10 hours a day etc.

Has anyone had any major issues? I am not a hardcore gamer and probably only watch TV on an evening for 5-6 hours. I don't have kids so not going to be on all day while at work. Clearly you get static logos on every channel now but I believe tvs have 'pixel shift' and refresh etc so it shouldn't be an issue?.

Everytime I read 'they are fine' I then see someone saying they have a £1500 TV that's ruined after 1year (also 'burn in' not under warranty).

I guess they wouldn't sell so many if it was a massive issue? I think newer ones have more built in fail safes? Or should I just go LCD?
 
S7DiscoDown said:
Thinking of upgrading my TV in the next few weeks. I want to make the plunge and get an OLED (LG).

That said ive been looking at them for weeks and still keep reading 'burn in' horror stories. The general gist I read is that if you use the TV 'normally' and reduce static images you'll be fine? I won't be sitting on sky news for 10 hours a day etc.

Has anyone had any major issues? I am not a hardcore gamer and probably only watch TV on an evening for 5-6 hours. I don't have kids so not going to be on all day while at work. Clearly you get static logos on every channel now but I believe tvs have 'pixel shift' and refresh etc so it shouldn't be an issue?.

Everytime I read 'they are fine' I then see someone saying they have a £1500 TV that's ruined after 1year (also 'burn in' not under warranty).

I guess they wouldn't sell so many if it was a massive issue? I think newer ones have more built in fail safes? Or should I just go LCD?
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5-6 hours on an evening! Can we swap lives please :)
 
We just bought this

https://www.richersounds.com/tv-projectors/all-tvs/lg-43un73006lc.html

Its LED, 4K and its been really good. Picture quality is more than good enough for my tired old eyes. The main reason we got it was WebOS. Our 4 year old has Disney + and there is a native app for it on the TV along with Plex, which I run from my Synology. It has various picture modes (Cinema, TV, Vivid) so you can customise it to your hearts content. I thought I wanted OLED too, but actually glad I didn't because I couldn't tell the difference (except in my wallet).
 
One thing I will say whatever you buy check internet for issues with the model. I have a LG LED model and during lockdown screen turned blue. A common issue with the backlights apparently. It was only two years old. Any to cut a long story short it cost me £95 to get repaired and is fine now. For how long, who knows.

 
I bought a new TV this year so did loads of research. The OLEDs look fantastic but I didn't want a TV that I had to modify my behaviour to watch. Burn-in happens if you leave a static image on screen but image retention doesn't need a static screen, it needs the same image to be displayed regularly enough. Things like the Netflix logo always being in the same place at the same brightness multiple times a day or if you use subtitles regularly then you can get a white cloud in that area. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. Those safety measures protect against burn-in to a degree but they can't do anything about image retention. I have had OLED screens on a couple of phones and they have all had burn-in/image retention so it put me off. I have kids and I can't expect them to look after it properly so I decided against the OLED.

I went for a Samsung FALD (Full Array Local Dimming) instead, the 65" Q90R. The picture quality is just as good, not quite as good at the blacks as an OLED but gets much brighter so is better at the highlights. It is also far better in a bright room than an OLED and has excellent viewing angles. If you aren't going for the top level Samsungs though then all of the other LEDs are a step down from the OLEDs, but will also be cheaper. I have a 55" Sony XF9005 as well which is also a FALD set from 2 years ago so great value if you can get one and that is almost as good in situations as the Samsung but has poorer viewing angles and is quite reflective so can be difficult to see in a really bright room if not viewing head on.

Micro LED is the next big tech. It is OLED like performance with the advantages of LED. Few years off from it being available. Samsung have skipped OLED to concentrate on Micro LED which is why they are the only ones still putting new tech into LEDs. If you are really interested in the best picture then stay away from any edge-lit LED. However, if you aren't going to feed your TV any 4k HDR sources then you don't need to pay £1500 for a TV. Anything £1000+ is for HDR performance. Cheaper TVs will say they do HDR but it's rubbish, they can't get really bright because they are edge-lit and it washes out the picture. You need OLED or FALD for good HDR.
 
Just a general comment. Most TV Operating Systems are a bit carp. Buy an Amazon or a Roku stick they are easier and faster to use and if you need to upgrade/replace you don't have to buy a new telly.
 
I have an lg oled tv for over a year and its fantastic the oled is superb. The only disappointing issue is most streaming providers like netflix compress thier 4k hdr streams so the quality isnt as good as i expected. Screen burn is countered by pixel shifting and screen saver software built in. I dont think its really an issue with modern oleds. That said if you are spending a decent amount of money make sure you get a decent warranty with the tv.
 
Bought an LG B9 OLED a few months back so too early to comment on the burn in issue, but from what my research told me burn in Is an issue for older models and doesn’t seem to trouble the newer models. My brother in law has had an LG OLED for years and hasn’t had a problem. I’m over the moon with the TV itself. The picture is incredible. Sky sports UHD stuff doesn’t cost extra either if you already have the sky Q experience package.
 
I’ve had LG 65” c8 oled for two years now, no burn in. My friend has a b6 and no problems and that will be 4-5 years now. I think it’s more of an issue with older sets or people who leave the same channel on 24 hours a day.

People have taken warranty suppliers to court when they’ve failed to honour warranties over it. John Lewis now includes burn in on oled warranty as long as you haven’t been negligent, which is defined as not cancelling the pixel refresh routine which runs very infrequently, and not turning it off at the wall at night. Neither of which we do - it runs some refreshing activities while off, again I frequently.

We’ve certainly not modified our viewing behaviour as a result of having one

Tv os (webos) is excellent and responsive but we use an Nvidia shield pro anyway

I’d get a last-gen LG oled rather than current gen, not a huge difference and you’ll save big on price
 
Thanks for the input👍

I have been doing research for about a month on YouTube etc. I think the general consensus is the new OLEDs are fine as long as you don't leave to TV on one channel all day or play games for 8-12 hours with static images (like scores on fifa etc). I have read experts doing 4000-6000 hour burn in tests with no burn in showing despite leaving on one channel for days.

I simply don't watch that much as at work 5-6 days a week. So it's evenings only and usually sport with the odd Netflix (no chill😂).

I am gonna go for it. I'm gonna get last years LG Oled as nearly £600 cheaper than the 2020 one with little or no difference in looks or specs. They are available for around a grand..... Still a fair outlay. We were going on holiday but that's gone t*ts up. So TV it is👍
 
Best advice I can give is get at least 65 inch. It will seek huge at first but you’ll quickly normalise to it. You’ll have it for around 5 years minimum for most people and tvs are trending larger. I genuinely couldn’t go down to a 50/55inch now - makes a huge difference for movies

You can also often pick up bargains on avforums tv classifieds forum, often with outstanding warranty remaining.
 
Muttley said:
Just a general comment. Most TV Operating Systems are a bit carp. Buy an Amazon or a Roku stick they are easier and faster to use and if you need to upgrade/replace you don't have to buy a new telly.
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Sony use Android (badly), Samsung has too many privacy breaking options you can't turn off without additional tech such as PiHole. Webos is fantastic, snappy, comes with a full web browser, gets regular upgrades and supports sideloading through the SDK. Amazon uses a fork of Android called Fire OS, Roku uses Linux which is what Webos is based on.
 
I currently own an older LG LCD with wedos. I love it so definitely sticking that that. I did look at Philips for the ambilight but I'm not convinced by the android operating system (loads of poor reviews).

The biggest issue I read about with OLED is actually 'operator error'. I read many power conscious people had been turning tvs off at the wall and not leaving in standby? An OLED does most of its pixel clearing and refreshing during its standby state and especially over night.

It's not an issue with me. My gaff is on permanent standby (god knows how much I pay a year extra😂).
 
TheFair86 said:
Best advice I can give is get at least 65 inch. It will seek huge at first but you’ll quickly normalise to it. You’ll have it for around 5 years minimum for most people and tvs are trending larger. I genuinely couldn’t go down to a 50/55inch now - makes a huge difference for movies

You can also often pick up bargains on avforums tv classifieds forum, often with outstanding warranty remaining.
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I'd echo that. It's like having a cinema screen but I think it depends on where you are putting it. On the wall or against a wall, bigger the better. In a corner bigger ones look a bit off because they take up loads of space to fit in a corner.

My best advice though would be to get external sound if you don't already have it as in-built speakers are rubbish with TVs being so thin these days. A good soundbar or surround system makes a huge difference. I made the step up from 43" to 65" but it is the better sound that has really made the biggest difference. Makes sure you get a good one though. 5.1 if possible, 3.1 minimum as the odd number gives you a dedicated centre channel for voices. Even better 5.1.2, the 2 is height channels for Dolby Atmos and DTS:X which gives you surround overhead as well as surround.

My previous post sounded anti-OLED. I'm not at all, it's just the decision I made because I didn't want the risk and because I got a very good deal on my Samsung. John Lewis weren't doing the burn-in warranty when I got mine so that wasn't an option. If you can, get it from John Lewis because it gives you the cover. One other thing to consider before you commit is how bright your room is and whether you get direct sunlight on the screen. the O in OLED means Organic and they can get damaged by having sunlight shining directly on them. They are quite reflective as well but if you mainly watch at evening it's probably something that you can easily live with.
 
Agree about surround sound. I’ve got a 5.1.2 setup and it makes a huge difference. I’ve got a massive BK Electronics a Monolith Plus subwoofer & Dali opticon speaker range which wasn’t cheap to throw together but sounds immense. I have it linked up to Sonos as well as we have speakers in every room and wanted to have the HT speakers set up on it too. Love running demos for people as the subwoofer is ridiculous. I have quite a large lounge and don’t set it anywhere past 50% and it’s better bass than cinema.

If you don’t want to spend thousands, I’d start off with a decent AVR and stereo speakers as you can add extra speakers and subs later on, will sound a lot better than a sound bar. Again, bargains to be had used in avforums - I got a denon x4500 for £600 with 5 years warranty left, which is £869 new now with a 3 year or £+90 odd for a 5 year
 
TheFair86 said:
Agree about surround sound. I’ve got a 5.1.2 setup and it makes a huge difference. I’ve got a massive BK Electronics a Monolith Plus subwoofer & Dali opticon speaker range which wasn’t cheap to throw together but sounds immense. I have it linked up to Sonos as well as we have speakers in every room and wanted to have the HT speakers set up on it too. Love running demos for people as the subwoofer is ridiculous. I have quite a large lounge and don’t set it anywhere past 50% and it’s better bass than cinema.

If you don’t want to spend thousands, I’d start off with a decent AVR and stereo speakers as you can add extra speakers and subs later on, will sound a lot better than a sound bar. Again, bargains to be had used in avforums - I got a denon x4500 for £600 with 5 years warranty left, which is £869 new now with a 3 year or £+90 odd for a 5 year
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A good surround system can definitely be better, particularly for the height channels but good soundbars can sound very good and they look a lot neater than loads of speakers and wires etc. I have the Samsung Q80R soundbar (5.1.2) which is the same bar as the Q90R without the extra rear speakers (which makes it 7.1.4) and is generally regarded as the best currently available. It was £800 but I got £400 cashback from Samsung when I got my TV so it was a bargain. You pay more than that just for a good receiver.
 
You’ll get more with a good receiver though! It will have far more power and speakers can be upgraded and added to individually. Sound bars are good for if you are limited in space but even a cheap set of stereo speakers will usually sound better than a soundbar purely due to the triangular nature providing a larger soundstage than any sound bar can, and more space inside the speakers for drivers and bass generation. No wires out for any of our speakers, all in the walls.

My denon has around 8 hdmi inputs (7 rear and one front), and can output to two different Displays at once as well as controlling a zone 2/3 (outdoor speakers & kitchen speakers) so covers a lot of use. I wouldn’t be able to do any of that with a soundbar setup.


That is a good soundbar though, most people buy one for £100 which just sounds like pc speakers. Or they go the other direction and spend £2k on a Sonos surround sound setup that is worse than a £500 separate system.
 
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LG C9 55" and it's been brilliant - apart from the ARC link out to SONOS.
It works 99% of the time but every so often when you change between the channels (say from HD to SD or vice-versa) the sound will go off and you have to flick back to another channel and back again to reset it.

Had this 9 months and no burn-in as yet, frequent updates and feature additions.
 
TheFair86 said:
You’ll get more with a good receiver though! It will have far more power and speakers can be upgraded and added to individually. Sound bars are good for if you are limited in space but even a cheap set of stereo speakers will usually sound better than a soundbar purely due to the triangular nature providing a larger soundstage than any sound bar can, and more space inside the speakers for drivers and bass generation. No wires out for any of our speakers, all in the walls.
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I don't need more power. I only have it set on 10 out of 100! I've watched at 40 (when the wife and kids were out haha) and it was deafening. The whole street could hear it if I put it on max.

The bar is almost as wide as the TV at 1.3m long so has directionally placed speakers (13 in total) including side and upward firing. It's much better than the cheap bars and more than matches budget separates. There are some optional satellites as well but I haven't bought them. Good separates will definitely beat it but you'd have to be a proper audiophile to notice or appreciate the difference.
 
I've had an oled TV for about a year now and it's not had any burn in issues. Mind you, it's never on for over 2 hours at a time.

The panel did go through a maintenance about a month ago. Basically switched itself off for 90 minutes and sometimes flashed the screen. Mines a Panasonic
 
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