Oasis - Standing on the Shoulder of Giants

newyddion

newyddion

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The 2nd 'Difficult 3rd Album' mostly made up of b-sides that should have never seen the light of day.

I think of Be Here Now and Standing on the Shoulders of Giants a little bit like how I see Kill Bill Vol 1 and Kill Bill Vol 2 in that they could have just done one., and it still wouldn't have been as good as everyone said it was. I would go so far to say that Oasis should have stuck to three albums and called it a day: 'Definitely Morning', 'Be Here Standing' then wrapped it up with 'Don't Believe the Chemistry'


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Definitely Morning - 1995

1. "Rock 'n' Roll Star"
2. "Shakermaker"
3. "Live Forever"
4. "Supersonic"
5. "Cigarettes & Alcohol"
6. "Roll with It"
7. "Wonderwall"
8. "Don't Look Back in Anger"
9. "Morning Glory"
10. "Champagne Supernova"

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Be Here Standing - 2000

1. "My Big Mouth"
2. "Fade In-Out"
3. "Don't Go Away"
4. "Stand by Me"
5. "Stay Young"
6. "Fuckin' in the Bushes"
7. "Let's All Make Believe"
8. "Where Did It All Go Wrong?"
9. "Gas Panic!"
10. "Sunday Morning Call"

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Don't Believe the Chemistry 2005

1. "Little by Little"
2 "Better Man"
3. "Stop Crying Your Heart Out"
4. "Born on a Different Cloud"
5. "(Probably) All in the Mind"
6. "Eyeball Tickler"
7. "The Importance of Being Idle"
8. "Guess God Thinks I'm Abel"
9. "Lyla"
10. "Let There Be Love"

Johnny Marr could have done with helping them out with some guitar and Morrissey could perhaps helped with the vocals.. and the songwriting.
 
newyddion said:
The 2nd 'Difficult 3rd Album' mostly made up of b-sides that should have never seen the light of day.

I think of Be Here Now and Standing on the Shoulders of Giants a little bit like how I see Kill Bill Vol 1 and Kill Bill Vol 2 in that they could have just done one., and it still wouldn't have been as good as everyone said it was. I would go so far to say that Oasis should have stuck to three albums and called it a day: 'Definitely Morning', 'Be Here Standing' then wrapped it up with 'Don't Believe the Chemistry'


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Definitely Morning - 1995

1. "Rock 'n' Roll Star"
2. "Shakermaker"
3. "Live Forever"
4. "Supersonic"
5. "Cigarettes & Alcohol"
6. "Roll with It"
7. "Wonderwall"
8. "Don't Look Back in Anger"
9. "Morning Glory"
10. "Champagne Supernova"

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Be Here Standing - 2000

1. "My Big Mouth"
2. "Fade In-Out"
3. "Don't Go Away"
4. "Stand by Me"
5. "Stay Young"
6. "Fuckin' in the Bushes"
7. "Let's All Make Believe"
8. "Where Did It All Go Wrong?"
9. "Gas Panic!"
10. "Sunday Morning Call"

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Don't Believe the Chemistry 2005

1. "Little by Little"
2 "Better Man"
3. "Stop Crying Your Heart Out"
4. "Born on a Different Cloud"
5. "(Probably) All in the Mind"
6. "Eyeball Tickler"
7. "The Importance of Being Idle"
8. "Guess God Thinks I'm Abel"
9. "Lyla"
10. "Let There Be Love"

Johnny Marr could have done with helping them out with some guitar and Morrissey could perhaps helped with the vocals.. and the songwriting.
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This is a much better lineup than your potential formations with players that we've never even been linked with.
 
The hotel I'm on holiday in has played a few Oasis songs today. Hadn't heard Champagne Supernova in ages. Such a good song. Liam's voice on it is fantastic.
 
Fabiopaim said:
The hotel I'm on holiday in has played a few Oasis songs today. Hadn't heard Champagne Supernova in ages. Such a good song. Liam's voice on it is fantastic.
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Probably on holiday as we were climbing to 50'000 feet over the Atlantic ocean. Where have you gone? Where are you staying? What I mean to say is..
WHERE WERE YOU WHEN WE WERE GETTING HIGH?
 
Centralscrutinizer said:
The Masterplan is my favourite album of theirs. Enough on it to have made a couple of great proper albums I reckon.
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It was a huge mistake to release songs such as The Masterplan and Acquiese as B-sides. Both of those songs should have been on Be Here Now.

I don't think Noel ever recovered after Be Here Now. They tried going down a completely new direction with the fourth album, whereas if they'd gotten Be Here Now right I think Noel would have just carried on with the same songwriting formula and produced more great rock albums.
 
parmoboy said:
It was a huge mistake to release songs such as The Masterplan and Acquiese as B-sides. Both of those songs should have been on Be Here Now.

I don't think Noel ever recovered after Be Here Now. They tried going down a completely new direction with the fourth album, whereas if they'd gotten Be Here Now right I think Noel would have just carried on with the same songwriting formula and produced more great rock albums.
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The stuff off Be Here Now was all stuff they'd written early doors.. the stuff that wasn't good enough for the first two albums or even their b-sides. Noel said they they lost it at the drug dealers.. I guess trying to be all rock and roll. But Liam turned up to the recording session with a crate of red stripe and a pot belly and Noel had a go at him about it.

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Maybe he'd done loads of coke and just believed that he would just write another What's the story.. all the talk of it being the next Sgt Peppers and all that jazz wont have helped mind. They just over produced the naff stuff they had left over to get an album out and pulled off one of the greatest rock and roll swindles of all time selling 8 million copies!! There's a few songs later that allude to that period in a characteristic blunt manor ('Where Did it All Go Wrong).. lesser so with the likes of 'Gas Panic'

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I thought they were going to do some sort of collaboration with the chemical brothers but I don't think that Noel's massive ego would let him. ('Let Forever Be' might have been the sum of that particular thought) Setting Sun was another one considered I think.

Later on a similar collaboration fell away with Death In Vegas (Don't Believe the Truth Album).. the sum of that being 'Scorpio Rising'

Dig Out Your Soul was supposed to be a full on colab with Amorphous Androgynous but again the ego got in the way, or perhaps a fear of alienating fans. Even now I think with his solo stuff he keeps the interesting colabs to b-sides (a bit like the Owen Coyle co-written stuff that made up 'The Masterplan')

I guess it could just be plain old fashion greed mixed in there for good luck!

He did acknowledge how poor Be Here Now was and went so far to say he would re-record it.. that ended up being a few minor rearrangements bundles in with some b-sides.

John Squire was rumoured to be joining at one point when the original members were getting shot of, too big to work with big head so he went and did his own thing with The Seahorses.

Imagine Be Here Now with John Squire round the 'Do it Yourself; period AND with the prodigy chiming in!

  1. "Suicide Drive" – 3:31
  2. "Boy in the Picture" – 2:54
  3. "Love Is the Law" – 7:43
  4. "Happiness is Egg-Shaped" – 3:45
  5. "Love Me and Leave Me" – 3:55 (Squire, Liam Gallagher)
  6. "Round the Universe" – 3:45
  7. "1999" – 3:25
  8. "Standing on Your Head" – 4:39
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OK Computer sold 7.8m copies.. so maybe he was right just to stick with the garbage he pumped out.

----------Reni----------------
--------------Mani------------
------Squire-------Marr-------
-------------Liam-------------
 
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newyddion said:
The stuff off Be Here Now was all stuff they'd written early doors.. the stuff that wasn't good enough for the first two albums or even their b-sides. Noel said they they lost it at the drug dealers.. I guess trying to be all rock and roll. But Liam turned up to the recording session with a crate of red stripe and a pot belly and Noel had a go at him about it.

m00pywuztiy21.jpg


Maybe he'd done loads of coke and just believed that he would just write another What's the story.. all the talk of it being the next Sgt Peppers and all that jazz wont have helped mind. They just over produced the naff stuff they had left over to get an album out and pulled off one of the greatest rock and roll swindles of all time selling 8 million copies!! There's a few songs later that allude to that period in a characteristic blunt manor ('Where Did it All Go Wrong).. lesser so with the likes of 'Gas Panic'

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I thought they were going to do some sort of collaboration with the chemical brothers but I don't think that Noel's massive ego would let him. ('Let Forever Be' might have been the sum of that particular thought) Setting Sun was another one considered I think.

Later on a similar collaboration fell away with Death In Vegas (Don't Believe the Truth Album).. the sum of that being 'Scorpio Rising'

Dig Out Your Soul was supposed to be a full on colab with Amorphous Androgynous but again the ego got in the way, or perhaps a fear of alienating fans. Even now I think with his solo stuff he keeps the interesting colabs to b-sides (a bit like the Owen Coyle co-written stuff that made up 'The Masterplan')

I guess it could just be plain old fashion greed mixed in there for good luck!

He did acknowledge how poor Be Here Now was and went so far to say he would re-record it.. that ended up being a few minor rearrangements bundles in with some b-sides.

John Squire was rumoured to be joining at one point when the original members were getting shot of, too big to work with big head so he went and did his own thing with The Seahorses.

Imagine Be Here Now with John Squire round the 'Do it Yourself; period AND with the prodigy chiming in!

  1. "Suicide Drive" – 3:31
  2. "Boy in the Picture" – 2:54
  3. "Love Is the Law" – 7:43
  4. "Happiness is Egg-Shaped" – 3:45
  5. "Love Me and Leave Me" – 3:55 (Squire, Liam Gallagher)
  6. "Round the Universe" – 3:45
  7. "1999" – 3:25
  8. "Standing on Your Head" – 4:39
fea4d34cda761d9f0eab755f50cb978f


OK Computer sold 7.8m copies.. so maybe he was right just to stick with the garbage he pumped out.

----------Reni----------------
--------------Mani------------
------Squire-------Marr-------
-------------Liam-------------
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You’re seriously not comparing anything they did post Definitely Maybe with OK Computer?
 
NoloBoro said:
You’re seriously not comparing anything they did post Definitely Maybe with OK Computer?
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Yes, they built up a huge buzz surrounding the band and they didn't deliver. OK Computer blew everything they did out of the water.

Quite a few good albums dropped in 1997.. Be Here Now was not one of them.
 
newyddion said:
Yes, they built up a huge buzz surrounding the band and they didn't deliver. OK Computer blew everything they did out of the water.

Quite a few good albums dropped in 1997.. Be Here Now was not one of them.
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I think I should clarify, definitely maybe wasn’t bad, even nearly good except for the nagging feeling that I’d heard all the songs before!
But…. Radiohead are and always have been incredible, they are unique.
The Oasis thing has been done before and bettered since. They are the most overrated band in history, the only thing I find more irritating than them are middle aged blokes who dress like em, sad cuntss
 
parmoboy said:
It was a huge mistake to release songs such as The Masterplan and Acquiese as B-sides. Both of those songs should have been on Be Here Now.

I don't think Noel ever recovered after Be Here Now. They tried going down a completely new direction with the fourth album, whereas if they'd gotten Be Here Now right I think Noel would have just carried on with the same songwriting formula and produced more great rock albums.
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When I actually listened to oasis and read their interviews, Noel Gallagher regularly made the point that The smiths released 'How Soon is Now' as a Bside.
Thats why I think Aquiesce was on the the some might say b-side. As if to say that their stabndard was so high that that song only made it as a release as a b side.
It should have been on Morning Glory instead and a single.
Cocaine has a lot to answer for with Oasis albums and also Stone Roses Second Coming. Noel Gallagher thought he was jesus at the time. What an arrogant bast.ard he is.
 
NoloBoro said:
I think I should clarify, definitely maybe wasn’t bad, even nearly good except for the nagging feeling that I’d heard all the songs before!
But…. Radiohead are and always have been incredible, they are unique.
The Oasis thing has been done before and bettered since. They are the most overrated band in history, the only thing I find more irritating than them are middle aged blokes who dress like em, sad cuntss
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The stared off on a similar path Creep in 1992 being a rip off of The Air That I Breathe but in the Bends in 1995 was a better rock album than Oasis ever managed. It was in 1997 that they truly raised the bar producing the sort of album the Gallagher brothers professed to be capable of.

The Verve out anthem’s them with Bitter Sweet Symphony and out acoustic’d them with The Drugs Don’t Work.

Blur out Beatle’d them with Beatlebum and out rocked them with Song 2

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newyddion said:
The stared off on a similar path Creep in 1992 being a rip off of The Air That I Breathe but in the Bends in 1995 was a better rock album than Oasis ever managed. It was in 1997 that they truly raised the bar producing the sort of album the Gallagher brothers professed to be capable of.

The Verve out anthem’s them with Bitter Sweet Symphony and out acoustic’d them with The Drugs Don’t Work.

Blur out Beatle’d them with Beatlebum and out rocked them with Song 2

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Blur another truly unique band 👍🏻
 
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