Nurses strike to end

[sherlock]

Nurses' strikes in England to end - as union boss vows 'fight for fair pay is far from over'

The Royal College of Nursing had planned to take further action after its members rejected the government's pay offer, but the union did not meet the required number of votes to enable more walkouts.

news.sky.com

Not enough people voted in the most recent ballot.

43% turnout against the required 50%.

84% of those who voted wanted further strike action.

Annoyingly the government will see this as a victory

 

[Andy_W]

Nurses' strikes in England to end - as union boss vows 'fight for fair pay is far from over'

The Royal College of Nursing had planned to take further action after its members rejected the government's pay offer, but the union did not meet the required number of votes to enable more walkouts.

news.sky.com

Not enough people voted in the most recent ballot.

43% turnout against the required 50%.

84% of those who voted wanted further strike action.

Annoyingly the government will see this as a victory

I wish they had kept going, but I think their hearts have overruled what they (and us public) think they deserve, especially after 2010 onwards and then also dealing with COVID.

Government using the nurses good nature against them, by dragging this out, cretins.

 

[WindyNook]

So only 82% of those who voted are in favour continuing the strike.
Tories breathe a sigh of relief.
Is this going to bite them in the bum when they renage on the pay review body report for next year?

 

[coluka]

Nurses' strikes in England to end - as union boss vows 'fight for fair pay is far from over'

The Royal College of Nursing had planned to take further action after its members rejected the government's pay offer, but the union did not meet the required number of votes to enable more walkouts.

news.sky.com

Not enough people voted in the most recent ballot.

43% turnout against the required 50%.

84% of those who voted wanted further strike action.

Annoyingly the government will see this as a victory

They will, the writing was on the wall though when Unison, GMB, Physios and Midwives accepted the 5% plus a one off non pensionable lump sum. I think a number of nurses were represented in that too. Divide and conquer.

Nobody wants to be poorer, but most of us clearly will be, I have always supported fair pay and what has gone on these last 12 or so years in the public services is a disgrace. I think another additional 1% offer would have been reasonable, still a pay cut in real terms, but thats modern life under the tories. The 34% wanted by Dr’s is though ridiculous to expect and they need a dose of realism, but the Government need to discuss the situation rationally too and not have this Mexican standoff with everyone. The Dr’s strike is undoubtedly harming people when at their most vulnerable and the government seem content to allow people to die unnecessarily. I am sure it is the tories way of pushing more and more down the private health route.

 

[r00fie1]

Like many I`ve seen it first hand: experienced nurses saying "enough is enough" and leaving. No incentive for young people to train as nurses. Poor wages for long hours, almost certainly without breaks, poor recruitment, poor retention, slashed wages, deliberate run-down under-resourced services, privatisation, exclusion of foreign health care practitioners, staff moving to places such as Ireland and Australia who are actively recruiting for Nurses in UK to work in their countries. The patients are treated like commodities - discharge starts on arrival - there is no National Social Care for those in the community, the disabled, those with Mental Health issues, the elderly, children and others needing support.

Instead, we have a punitive "benefits" system, depleted "community" resources [almost non-existent] and people living without support and resources to cover their basic daily needs, like intimate social care, washing, cooking, bathing, wellbeing support, shopping, heating, reassurance, human contact, access to primary care.

Its appalling, but capital doesnt give a schitt. Capital can croon about victory over splitting and defeating workers in health-care, but those who suffer the consequences are not just ordinary people but the workers themselves. Private interests are licking their lips at increasing profits from the deliberate destruction of whats left of our NHS.​

 

[Richyboro]

Too many different unions being represented. Need to be united.

 

[Colin Warnek]

The medical pay is sh1t in this country compared to elsewhere. Will only lead to brain drain and gradual decline of health services here..

 

[Laughing]

They will, the writing was on the wall though when Unison, GMB, Physios and Midwives accepted the 5% plus a one off non pensionable lump sum. I think a number of nurses were represented in that too. Divide and conquer.

Nobody wants to be poorer, but most of us clearly will be, I have always supported fair pay and what has gone on these last 12 or so years in the public services is a disgrace. I think another additional 1% offer would have been reasonable, still a pay cut in real terms, but thats modern life under the tories. The 34% wanted by Dr’s is though ridiculous to expect and they need a dose of realism, but the Government need to discuss the situation rationally too and not have this Mexican standoff with everyone. The Dr’s strike is undoubtedly harming people when at their most vulnerable and the government seem content to allow people to die unnecessarily. I am sure it is the tories way of pushing more and more down the private health route.

I disagree entirely with your sentiments about doctors. They are asking for pay parity with 2010. It's not unreasonable after a 7 years at uni, 7 years of spiralling debt, roughly about 80 grand Then you do a 3-5 year residency, working, generally 16 hour shifts, then, maybe you go on to be a junior doctor on a starting salary of underr 30k a year.

They deserve a 34% payrise and that just brings them back to parity. It is, about the most skilled job on the planet and they start on the same pay as a bus driver.

 

[coluka]

I disagree entirely with your sentiments about doctors. They are asking for pay parity with 2010. It's not unreasonable after a 7 years at uni, 7 years of spiralling debt, roughly about 80 grand Then you do a 3-5 year residency, working, generally 16 hour shifts, then, maybe you go on to be a junior doctor on a starting salary of underr 30k a year.

They deserve a 34% payrise and that just brings them back to parity. It is, about the most skilled job on the planet and they start on the same pay as a bus driver.

It is fine to think whatever you wish. I agree the public sector has been damaged beyond ridiculous and people have had effective wage cuts since 2010 in all walks of our country. It shouldn’t have happened but it did.

What on earth do you think will happen were they to be handed a 34% pay rise? You’d have every public servant, police worker, fireman that can strike threatening it, wanting their share of the pot, the pot that hasn’t got enough to cover it. The country has a debt bigger than its GDP thanks to this shower, hat’ll do our rating a shed load of good and increase borrowing cost.

You can not have settlements like that in the current situation. Well frankly in any situation, it is outrageous. They know they wont get it too whether the like many others deserve. Sorry, the country can’t afford it. I have no truck with them being promised above inflation rises for for the next few years to come to aid the health service retain and recruit, same with Dr’s and Nurses so some catch up can begin.

Should Civil Servants, cleaners, binmen, council staff, shop workers all get 34% wage rises too, I wonder what would happen to inflation, it would be rampant I’m sure were it to happen, everybody becomes worse off, the gap between the haves and the have nots would rise and individual debt would too. No problem with your view though we both know they wont get double figures in our heart of hearts, even under a Labour government.

 

[Laughing]

It is fine to think whatever you wish. I agree the public sector has been damaged beyond ridiculous and people have had effective wage cuts since 2010 in all walks of our country. It shouldn’t have happened but it did.

What on earth do you think will happen were they to be handed a 34% pay rise? You’d have every public servant, police worker, fireman that can strike threatening it, wanting their share of the pot, the pot that hasn’t got enough to cover it. The country has a debt bigger than its GDP thanks to this shower, hat’ll do our rating a shed load of good and increase borrowing cost.

You can not have settlements like that in the current situation. Well frankly in any situation, it is outrageous. They know they wont get it too whether the like many others deserve. Sorry, the country can’t afford it. I have no truck with them being promised above inflation rises for for the next few years to come to aid the health service retain and recruit, same with Dr’s and Nurses so some catch up can begin.

Should Civil Servants, cleaners, binmen, council staff, shop workers all get 34% wage rises too, I wonder what would happen to inflation, it would be rampant I’m sure were it to happen, everybody becomes worse off, the gap between the haves and the have nots would rise and individual debt would too. No problem with your view though we both know they wont get double figures in our heart of hearts, even under a Labour government.

In short yes the public sector should get a parity pay rise yes.

Asking this government to be prudent with our money is ridiculous. They could start by chasing the 30 billion covid fraud and use that. However, there is money available don't believe the lies from this shower. Windfall tax energy companies and supermarkets and take the racketeering profit from their pockets.

There is enough money the government just don't want to take it from their doners, buddies and each other.

 

[WoodallServices]

They will, the writing was on the wall though when Unison, GMB, Physios and Midwives accepted the 5% plus a one off non pensionable lump sum. I think a number of nurses were represented in that too. Divide and conquer.

Nobody wants to be poorer, but most of us clearly will be, I have always supported fair pay and what has gone on these last 12 or so years in the public services is a disgrace. I think another additional 1% offer would have been reasonable, still a pay cut in real terms, but thats modern life under the tories. The 34% wanted by Dr’s is though ridiculous to expect and they need a dose of realism, but the Government need to discuss the situation rationally too and not have this Mexican standoff with everyone. The Dr’s strike is undoubtedly harming people when at their most vulnerable and the government seem content to allow people to die unnecessarily. I am sure it is the tories way of pushing more and more down the private health route.

I bet they get more than the nurses.

 

[bungydinsdale]

Fully support the nurses. They deserve to be paid more than the politicians get.

 

[coluka]

I bet they get more than the nurses.

Maybe so, but they wont get double figures

 

[coluka]

In short yes the public sector should get a parity pay rise yes.

Asking this government to be prudent with our money is ridiculous. They could start by chasing the 30 billion covid fraud and use that. However, there is money available don't believe the lies from this shower. Windfall tax energy companies and supermarkets and take the racketeering profit from their pockets.

There is enough money the government just don't want to take it from their doners, buddies and each other

Are you prudent with your money?

Yes they should chase the money they blew on covid, They can’t use it till its returned though, good luck getting it back. Windfall taxes, again yes, but i’d sooner the money went on helping the poor first. You assume there is enough money you do not know though, what about everyone else or is it just Dr’s that are a special case, sorry but Your view is for the birds on this imho.

 

[r00fie1]

"Junior" Doctors is a misnomer.
They have the same responsibilities to make potentially life-save decisions as any GP or Consultant.
They are expected to make decisions, not by appointment, but in the majority, by response to emergencies, particularly in hospitals.
They prescribe medications, triage in A&E and all other areas in hospitals including acute medicine, resuss, cancer care, etc. etc. etc.
If you want Doctors in the NHS, we have to pay for them.
This tripe about there not being enough money [is crap].
There are thousands of vacancies for Doctors and a short-fall in those currently in the initial 5-year basic training.
If we dont mind waiting many hours for a Doctor in hospital and a rapidly increasing shortage in secondary care - then keep telling us there is no money to pay qualified practitioners what they are worth..

 

[coluka]

"Junior" Doctors is a misnomer.
They have the same responsibilities to make potentially life-save decisions as any GP or Consultant.
They are expected to make decisions, not by appointment, but in the majority, by response to emergencies, particularly in hospitals.
They prescribe medications, triage in A&E and all other areas in hospitals including acute medicine, resuss, cancer care, etc. etc. etc.
If you want Doctors in the NHS, we have to pay for them.
This tripe about there not being enough money [is crap].
There are thousands of vacancies for Doctors and a short-fall in those currently in the initial 5-year basic training.
If we dont mind waiting many hours for a Doctor in hospital and a rapidly increasing shortage in secondary care - then keep telling us there is no money to pay qualified practitioners what they are worth..

I agree we don’t value dr’s enough, we seem to value footballers more in monetary terms which in itself is obscene. I think in an ideal world I’d swap their wages around, but back to reality, the knock on effect of a 34% rise would see you all paying huge rises in mortgages, taxes and strikes galore all over the place.

 

[r00fie1]

I agree we don’t value dr’s enough, we seem to value footballers more in monetary terms which in itself is obscene. I think in an ideal world I’d swap their wages around, but back to reality, the knock on effect of a 34% rise would see you all paying huge rises in mortgages, taxes and strikes galore all over the place.

Morning.

"....huge rises in mortgages, taxes and strikes galore all over the place."

We have that already.

Starving the NHS of qualified staff and patients the care they need, hasnt stopped the Bank of England raising interest rates or Jeremy Hunt giving money away to the rich.

 

[r00fie1]

https://twitter.com/AndyMcDonaldMP/status/1673698782423453697

 

[Colgates_shaving_foam]

Are you prudent with your money?

Yes they should chase the money they blew on covid, They can’t use it till its returned though, good luck getting it back. Windfall taxes, again yes, but i’d sooner the money went on helping the poor first. You assume there is enough money you do not know though, what about everyone else or is it just Dr’s that are a special case, sorry but Your view is for the birds on this imho.

The budget of a country does not work the same way as a fixed household budget.

The concerning thing is that I think Hunt might be so thick as to actually believe that it does.

 

[Laughing]

Are you prudent with your money?

Yes they should chase the money they blew on covid, They can’t use it till its returned though, good luck getting it back. Windfall taxes, again yes, but i’d sooner the money went on helping the poor first. You assume there is enough money you do not know though, what about everyone else or is it just Dr’s that are a special case, sorry but Your view is for the birds on this imho.

It is your attitude coluka that widens the wealth divide year on year. You have bought into the myth that is international economics.

You seem to be suggesting we let workers go hungry whilst the rich accumulate more wealth at our expense.

There are other ways.