"No overall control"

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Legz

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So I've been up since 4 and watching some results come in....quite a few seem to be no overall control...what does this even mean??
I mean yeah it means Tories have lost seats....but it also means they haven't been whitewashed out of the picture by Labour.
Is this what Sky were reporting earlier in the week that the general public use these local elections to warn the ruling party to sort themselves out before the next election??
Or is it the general.public want the change but are worried/still not convinced by Starmer and Labour??
Or is it, again a report done by Sky news last week, that the general public are sick of politicians in general....they promise all things to get into power then change their minds....the opinion that they've "fortgot" they actually work for us not for themselves. And the amount of scandals etc on all sides
By sleep deprived brain is working overtime lol x
 
Legz said:
So I've been up since 4 and watching some results come in....quite a few seem to be no overall control...what does this even mean??
I mean yeah it means Tories have lost seats....but it also means they haven't been whitewashed out of the picture by Labour.
Is this what Sky were reporting earlier in the week that the general public use these local elections to warn the ruling party to sort themselves out before the next election??
Or is it the general.public want the change but are worried/still not convinced by Starmer and Labour??
Or is it, again a report done by Sky news last week, that the general public are sick of politicians in general....they promise all things to get into power then change their minds....the opinion that they've "fortgot" they actually work for us not for themselves. And the amount of scandals etc on all sides
By sleep deprived brain is working overtime lol x
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Number of seats lost for the tories is the main factor that the press will concentrate on. Difficult to know at the moment but to date they have lost almost half of their seats. It may turn into a rout.
 
Bit of everything depending what spin you believe.

Politics is a filthy, mucky business - and it shouldn't be. We elect our politicians to represent us, give us a voice. However power corrupts....or at least gives these people a massive ego trip where they then start to look down on the little people.

Far too often politics is seen as a career choice, the ability to make contacts, get rich, stick their noses in an ever full trough. Represent constituents.......pfffttttt.

Politics in the UK is in the swamp. Will Labour change things......I have my doubts.
 
h_m_boro said:
Bit of everything depending what spin you believe.

Politics is a filthy, mucky business - and it shouldn't be. We elect our politicians to represent us, give us a voice. However power corrupts....or at least gives these people a massive ego trip where they then start to look down on the little people.

Far too often politics is seen as a career choice, the ability to make contacts, get rich, stick their noses in an ever full trough. Represent constituents.......pfffttttt.

Politics in the UK is in the swamp. Will Labour change things......I have my doubts.
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That post is largely in line with what the tories want you to believe.

Some examples of labour corruption would help your case. Otherwise you are just parroting what the tories are asking their client media to parrot.

Let me say this once again. A Glasgow University study that was peer reviewed attributes over a quarter million premature deaths due to austerity and this study doesn't include covid.

All politicians are the same? Think about that for a moment.
 
Legz said:
I mean yeah it means Tories have lost seats....but it also means they haven't been whitewashed out of the picture by Labour.
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I haven't looked at any results myself yet, but keep in mind not all the seats on a particular council are contested at the same time. So there may well be places where the tories have lost all the seats they can but its still not enough for another party to have an overall majority.
 
Legz said:
Quite a few seem to be no overall control...what does this even mean??
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A council is considered to be a No Overall Control council if there isn’t a single party with more than 50 per cent of the seats.

In these situations, the political groups with more seats will look to create a coalition.
 
SuperStu said:
I haven't looked at any results myself yet, but keep in mind not all the seats on a particular council are contested at the same time. So there well be places where the tories have lost all the seats they can but its still not enough for another party to have an overall majority.
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Yeah we only had one seat in our local election up for grabs.
 
Laughing said:
Number of seats lost for the tories is the main factor that the press will concentrate on. Difficult to know at the moment but to date they have lost almost half of their seats. It may turn into a rout.
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That's what I mean....they have lost all these seats...but Labour still haven't won them all either
 
Legz said:
That's what I mean....they have lost all these seats...but Labour still haven't won them all either
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It merely means they are severely weakened in what were true blue Tory councils and can’t vote anything through without consensus as the opposition have more councillors combined. It’s a good thing and Labour certainly have won a number of key and significant councils.
 
Laughing said:
That post is largely in line with what the tories want you to believe.

Some examples of labour corruption would help your case. Otherwise you are just parroting what the tories are asking their client media to parrot.

Let me say this once again. A Glasgow University study that was peer reviewed attributes over a quarter million premature deaths due to austerity and this study doesn't include covid.

All politicians are the same? Think about that for a moment.
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You've presumed too much and read between the lines.

I didn't say "they are all the same".

I voted yesterday as I believe my local councillor to be a decent person who represents our community (I've met her a couple of times)

I'm not for one minute saying any new Labour MP will automatically replace a Tory one with similar "in plain sight" levels of corruption. But even at councillor level, I've seen it with my own eyes people getting elected and changing for the worse. It definitely does happen.

Do you not think Labour MPs take dodgy lobbying money? Do you reckon all will go to Westminster and be whiter than white?

UK politics is in such a bad place, so lacking in trust and integrity, the public are sick of it. And will Labour attack the system or just effortlessly slide in ? It's such a mess I fear the latter.

At least two terms to turn things around and put down the rise of the right
 
Legz said:
That's what I mean....they have lost all these seats...but Labour still haven't won them all either
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Roughly a third of seats are up for grabs
This election is the one that replicates the council elections during Covid - where the gvt did quite well.

It’s all about the vote against Tories which looks to be continuing the anti Tory bi election results.
Already some big hits where they have lost control

The only one that matters, of course, is the GE
 
h_m_boro said:
You've presumed too much and read between the lines.

I didn't say "they are all the same".

I voted yesterday as I believe my local councillor to be a decent person who represents our community (I've met her a couple of times)

I'm not for one minute saying any new Labour MP will automatically replace a Tory one with similar "in plain sight" levels of corruption. But even at councillor level, I've seen it with my own eyes people getting elected and changing for the worse. It definitely does happen.

Do you not think Labour MPs take dodgy lobbying money? Do you reckon all will go to Westminster and be whiter than white?

UK politics is in such a bad place, so lacking in trust and integrity, the public are sick of it. And will Labour attack the system or just effortlessly slide in ? It's such a mess I fear the latter.

At least two terms to turn things around and put down the rise of the right
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You doubt labour will change anything. Said with no evidence just a feeling they are all corrupt.

I didn't really assume anything you didn't say, h_m.
 
Laughing said:
You doubt labour will change anything. Said with no evidence just a feeling they are all corrupt.

I didn't really assume anything you didn't say, h_m.
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I absolute agree his wording was clumsy and what he should have said was the corruption seen in the right wing caucuses of councils is such that his faith in politicians has been severely tested. And left it at that.
 
Laughing said:
You doubt labour will change anything. Said with no evidence just a feeling they are all corrupt.

I didn't really assume anything you didn't say, h_m.
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I mean its not "no evidence" is it? You can hardly blame people for thinking Labour won't change much when Starmers marketed the party as not changing much for 4 years. 🤷‍♂️ Just this week they announced they actually won't change much on workers rights. And thats the week of elections and was done on international workers day!

What evidence would someone base an opinion that Labour were going to come in and make some big changes re: the snouts in the trough element of British politics? It's not something they've claimed they're doing. It's not something you could really say they've practiced themselves in opposition - donors have pretty obviously set the party policy on NHS privatisation, the Gaza genocide, and even who the leader of Scottish Labour is. Starmer accepts more hospitality donations than any other MP in parliament. It'd be naive to think his perspectives aren't being influenced the whole time, even if you don't think there's any explicit quid pro quo going on.
 
SuperStu said:
I mean its not "no evidence" is it? You can hardly blame people for thinking Labour won't change much when Starmers marketed the party as not changing much for 4 years. 🤷‍♂️ Just this week they announced they actually won't change much on workers rights. And thats the week of elections and was done on international workers day!

What evidence would someone base an opinion that Labour were going to come in and make some big changes re: the snouts in the trough element of British politics? It's not something they've claimed they're doing. It's not something you could really say they've practiced themselves in opposition - donors have pretty obviously set the party policy on NHS privatisation, the Gaza genocide, and even who the leader of Scottish Labour is. Starmer accepts more hospitality donations than any other MP in parliament. It'd be naive to think his perspectives aren't being influenced the whole time, even if you don't think there's any explicit quid pro quo going on.
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We were talking specifically about corruption.
 
I read that a bad night for the Tories would be 400+ losses, and a decent night for Labour would be 250+ gains.

I’m not very clued up on local elections, but I believe people vote differently to a GE, and will vote for who they actually want in council, rather than who they need to vote for in order to get a party out, ie the Tories. So many will still vote Lib Dem or Green etc when they wouldn’t necessarily in a GE because it would be a wasted vote.
If, as some places are predicting, the Tories now lose 500 council seats, then it’s definitely a worse night than they were predicting, no matter how they try to paint it. Over the weekend they will focus on the West Midlands and Teesside mayor results as they come in, as they are likely going to be wins for them (Street and Houchen… Urghh) They’ll try and move on from the council losses and paint it as some sort of Tory victory claiming people do still believe in them, but they’ll struggle to shift the narrative if they really do lose on the order of 500.

After the weekend, there will probably be alsorts of manoeuvres by various twisted weirdos like Baddenoch to try and challenge Sunak for the leadership. I’m hoping that he throws a strop and calls a GE out of spite to those who he feels have constantly undermined him.
 
while we have a - national level - First Past the Post system we'll be stuck with the Blue & Red revolving door - we need to force them to go to a: 1st alternative vote, style electoral voting system - that neither of the main parties want..

The current system lets a party, with - just enough - votes into power to govern over the interests of the majority that didn't vote for them - hence why we are a cynical bunch..
 
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Laughing said:
You doubt labour will change anything. Said with no evidence just a feeling they are all corrupt.

I didn't really assume anything you didn't say, h_m.
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Please......you're twisting everything I've said. I'm not saying ALL politicians are self serving - they are not. Including Tories.

And point me where I said I had a feeling they are ALL corrupt - my point being POWER corrupts, it's a sad trait of many humans. From councillor to PM level.

I've said Labour will not stoop to the levels of corruption of the current crop of Tories. But if, say 400 Labour MPs are elected you don't think one, two, five will have their heads turned with £££££ ? Let's see in 5 years.

Starmer, so far, has been very, very safe -beige almost - with his attacks on the Tories. My big hope he's keeping his powder dry until he gets in No 10. However, does he have the balls to start to go up against the establishment? I have my doubts.

I absolutely, categorically hope Labour are elected on a landslide, get into No 10, are squeaky clean and 100% transparent in everything they do. Drain the swamp. Make the people believe in the integrity and honesty of politicians. Hand on heart, reckon this will happen?
 
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