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Maury_Povich said:
That quite possibly contributes towards it. Either way, misogyny and xenophobia are not great looks!
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No. I suppose it depends whether what is said about them constitutes xenophobia. Wanting them to clear off and be an independent nation is just agreeing with them, not xenophobia.

Am sure there are plenty of xenophobic comments made too though.
 
1finny said:
It’s weird that according to all polls around 25% of the electorate will vote Tory at the next election.
That’s a worry.
This could be Brexit all over again with many not having the balls to say they will vote Tory but cometh the hour….. they will.
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Yep, it’s a possibility. If the Tories win next time then the British electorate will get what they’ve asked for.

If the Brexit mess (and not just the vote but the way it was handled afterwards), Covid/partygate, perpetual strike action, cost of living and the endless list of cronyism and sleaze going on within the party since 2010 isn’t enough to sway people that we need a change then we have to accept that the majority of the electorate wants to live in this horrifically strained environment.
 
SuperStu said:
Both parties have the same ideology now. Makes more sense to push for people to vote for Labour if they oppose the individual personalities in the tory party rather than the underlying ideology IMO.
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This is my point, you’ve put it better than me. The country has consistently voted against any kind of socialistic ideology, so if you’re just sick of the current personnel and believe them to be corrupt, it’s worth abandoning all other principles. You’re never going to get socialism.

Unless the above poster by Tory ideology just meant “corruption and sleaze”.
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
Whatever happened to Alex Salmond?
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He's set up a new party of which he's the leader - The Alba Party.

Because of the voting system for the Scottish Parliament making it deliberately difficult for a single party to get a majority, a few pro-independence parties have popped up to try and get the proportionality seats, as opposed to the constituency seats.
 
BoroFur said:
BBC News - Nicola Sturgeon to resign as Scottish first minister
www.bbc.co.uk

Nicola Sturgeon says time is right to resign as Scotland's first minister

The Scottish National Party leader is standing down as first minister after more than eight years.
www.bbc.co.uk
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8 utterly ineffectual years in charge as Indy 2 overtook every other priority she had.

Worse eduction, health, economy and any other metric you want, & there is only so long you can use the not a Westminster Tory excuse for the curl to start lifting.
 
SuperStu said:
He's set up a new party of which he's the leader - The Alba Party.

Because of the voting system for the Scottish Parliament making it deliberately difficult for a single party to get a majority, a few pro-independence parties have popped up to try and get the proportionality seats, as opposed to the constituency seats.
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Ah, yes, I remember. The reason why I mention him - a few years ago, didn't he have "explosive information" about the SNP and specifically about Sturgeon's husbands financial involvement ????
 
Decent_Left said:
8 utterly ineffectual years in charge as Indy 2 overtook every other priority she had.

Worse eduction, health, economy and any other metric you want, & there is only so long you can use the not a Westminster Tory excuse for the curl to start lifting.
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What was annoying was that it only seemed to be “her priority” - attention seeking behaviour and thankfully now she has gone!
 
Decent_Left said:
8 utterly ineffectual years in charge as Indy 2 overtook every other priority she had.

Worse eduction, health, economy and any other metric you want, & there is only so long you can use the not a Westminster Tory excuse for the curl to start lifting.
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Transport too. Education has been going downhill since the snp took control over it

When I lived in Edinburgh , there was a lot of controversy surrounding the tram and what a gigantic waste of money it would be . The snp ploughed on regardless .

People will continue to vote for them irrespective though as they want independence.

I think some on here equate automatically left wing = good too and think she’s a good politician. I certainly don’t , she deflects anything bad as westminsters fault . Like our politicians do with the eu
 
Boroboyyo said:
Transport too. Education has been going downhill since the snp took control over it

When I lived in Edinburgh , there was a lot of controversy surrounding the tram and what a gigantic waste of money it would be . The snp ploughed on regardless .

People will continue to vote for them irrespective though as they want independence.

I think some on here equate automatically left wing = good too and think she’s a good politician. I certainly don’t , she deflects anything bad as westminsters fault . Like our politicians do with the eu
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Dont forget to add the ferguson marine ferries contracts to the Transport failure too... its still on going and looks like she will be up to her neck in it if the rumours of back handers are true
 
Boroboyyo said:
I think some on here equate automatically left wing = good too and think she’s a good politician. I certainly don’t , she deflects anything bad as westminsters fault . Like our politicians do with the eu
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I'd be surprised if anybody really thought she (the SNP) were left wing, but you've just proved me wrong. She can be seen as a good leader without agreeing totally with her party's politics.
 
go-nads! said:
Every person who opposes the Tory ideology needs to back Labour at tge next general election.

The corrupt b***ds need to be destroyed, the opportunity to get this lot out of government for a generation is ripe for the picking.

It will take a decade just to undo the harm and probably another decade to move the country forward.
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I don't necessarily accept that. It is tenable to take the short term pragmatic view that Labour is so obviously better in 2024+ that you'd be mad not to vote for them, and that's where I lean.

But it is also tenable to take the longer term principled view that their track record historically is so marginally better, and Starmer so marginally inspiring, that what the country really needs is to break the rigged, majoritarian, two party buggins turn system that has failed us for a century. And the only way to do that IS to vote for a third party. And keep doing so until it breaks. So if the original poster is motivated to vote Green good luck to him.
 
atypical_boro said:
Yep, it’s a possibility. If the Tories win next time then the British electorate will get what they’ve asked for.
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Well, probably about 30-40% will anyway.

I suppose you could say the other 60-70 should vote tactically if they're so against the Tories (and they should) but unless they're politically aware it won't occur to a lot of people to do so. And not really should they be expected to.

Our farce of a system means the British electorate rarely get what they ask for.
 
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