NI protocol agreed ‘in haste’ 🤣

festa5

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I dunno about you, but I actually read and understand contracts I agree to.

Especially when they’re oven-ready and I’ve been working on them for four years and, I dunno, they’re a nation-defining piece of major international law.

In fact I actually read about 20% of the withdrawal agreement before it got voted through, it was all in there.

Imagining signing a mobile phone contract and then three months later going “Hang on, you can’t charge me this, it’s deeply flawed.” A child wouldn’t do it. Such a failed government on every level, get them out.

In any other walk of life or indeed under any other government "Frosty" would be sacked or resigning. His comments would amount to a resignation letter. Gross negligence surely?

But of course not because he was following orders. Do whatever it takes, the consequences don't matter.
 

MolteniArcore

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That means you'd be happy to see the UK breakup, as that's what would happen

No one is saying the Tories have been amazing, but a lot of issues are global.. Europe is having massive issues with Gas shortages, the same as we are.

America is having supply-chain disruption and food shortages, the same as we are.

I don't think Labour would have done amazingly better in the same circumstances, they wanted to sign us up to the European Vaccine Programme and look how that turned out. That was arguably one major thing the Tories got right.

Like I said, I'm not linked or affiliated to any political party, but to think life would be rosy under any other party is fantasy, it's been a perfect storm of a lot of events happening quickly

What a load of BULL.

The Tories are responsible for any UK break up as they have dragged Scotland and NI out of the EU against their will.

The 'global issues' that you refer to is pure Tory spin... and you've fallen for it hook, line and sinker. The are not having food / fuel shortages world wide, it's just us...

It doesn't matter how you think Labour would have done - it's the Tories that have Fk'ed it all up. A unicorn might have done better than Johnson but we'll never know. Whataboutary doesn't excuse the shower that is going on right now.

You are obviously linked to a political party. I'd also guess you voted Conservative in the last election, probably to get Brexit done. It sounds that you are still lying to yourself that you didn't vote for all of this and that you still think it's not your fault, it's Labour's or the EU's. I bet you think Johnson 'did his best' with the pandemic too :ROFLMAO:
 

Ex Footy Legs

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What a load of BULL.

The Tories are responsible for any UK break up as they have dragged Scotland and NI out of the EU against their will.

The 'global issues' that you refer to is pure Tory spin... and you've fallen for it hook, line and sinker. The are not having food / fuel shortages world wide, it's just us...

It doesn't matter how you think Labour would have done - it's the Tories that have Fk'ed it all up. A unicorn might have done better than Johnson but we'll never know. Whataboutary doesn't excuse the shower that is going on right now.

You are obviously linked to a political party. I'd also guess you voted Conservative in the last election, probably to get Brexit done. It sounds that you are still lying to yourself that you didn't vote for all of this and that you still think it's not your fault, it's Labour's or the EU's. I bet you think Johnson 'did his best' with the pandemic too :ROFLMAO:
Great post and perfectly put.
 

Ziggy

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Trade between NI and Ireland is expanding at a great rate. No shortages at all. The main problem is the UK Gov. about this difference appearing between, say Belfast and Birmingham et al.
The protocol is working for them and this is a real problem in perception on the mainland. NI are doing well, being members of the Customs Union, the DUP are losing ground in the polls, and really have always wanted to collapse the Good Friday agreement. If people here start looking across the sea and seeing NI doing so much better, then that’s when people ask WTF.
So it’s got to go and a hard border re-installed.
Because if Article 16 in invoked, what’s happens is new negotiations must take place. If these fail then the EU will have to impose sanctions on the UK. Job done!! …..”Oh look what those nasty Europeans are doing to us”
 

Ex Footy Legs

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Trade between NI and Ireland is expanding at a great rate. No shortages at all. The main problem is the UK Gov. about this difference appearing between, say Belfast and Birmingham et al.
The protocol is working for them and this is a real problem in perception on the mainland. NI are doing well, being members of the Customs Union, the DUP are losing ground in the polls, and really have always wanted to collapse the Good Friday agreement. If people here start looking across the sea and seeing NI doing so much better, then that’s when people ask WTF.
So it’s got to go and a hard border re-installed.
Because if Article 16 in invoked, what’s happens is new negotiations must take place. If these fail then the EU will have to impose sanctions on the UK. Job done!! …..”Oh look what those nasty Europeans are doing to us”
Good post and good points only that it’s well known that lots of supermarket goods are difficult to move in from GB to NI which is why M&S are closing lots of stores in NI
 
The 'global issues' that you refer to is pure Tory spin... and you've fallen for it hook, line and sinker. The are not having food / fuel shortages world wide, it's just us...

Guardian: America faces supply-chain disruption and shortages. Here’s why​


"There’s a quiet panic happening in the US economy. Medical labs are running out of supplies like pipettes and petri dishes, summer camps and restaurants are having trouble getting food, and automobile, paint and electronics firms are curtailing production because they can’t get semiconductors. One man told me he couldn’t get a Whopper meal at a Burger King in Florida, as there was a sign saying “Sorry, no french fries with any order. We have no potatoes.”

Gas shortages: what is driving Europe’s energy crisis?​


"If you live in continental Europe or the UK the natural gas that heats your home this October is costing at least five times more than it did a year ago."

“Europe principally has two options for additional gas supplies as it is so heavily reliant on imports: Russia or cargoes of liquefied natural gas,” says Tom Marzec-Manser at ICIS, a consultancy. “Neither of those sources have worked as Europe might hope during this crisis.”

Tory Spin though - keep embarrassing yourself without knowing the facts
 
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American_Mary

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The Vaccine has absolutely no relevance to the situation regarding the Northern Irish Protocol and the threat of implementing Article 16, just pure distractionary tactics to try and prevent robust examination of yet another failure of the Government's Brexit team to be able to do anything with competence, whatever your opinion of Brexit, and that's a debate that has been done ad nauseam, nobody from either perspective can claim that the transition at Governmental level has been anything but a shambolic.

I can't believe the blinkered view that one short term success with the vaccine roll out, which was overseen and managed by the NHS, remember, not the Government direct, somehow negates from their shambolic performance's elsewhere, it's like claiming Woodgate did a good job because we beat West Brom away when they were top of the league.

Back to the point in question to try and renege on an agreement that was 4 years in development and negotiation just weeks after it's implementation cannot be seen as anything other than incompetence, failure and a serious dereliction of execution of task, in any other field of work those that negotiated and signed off, what was obviously an unworkable situation head's would roll, going back to the football analogy you don't keep a first team coach of a team that keeps losing because the girls Under 8 team are holding their own.

We have become a laughing stock internationally with our slapstick politics and farcical politicians, the insularity that in part drove the Brexit vote still does not recognise the global view of ineptitude, cronyism and amateurism that the rest of the world perceives Johnson and co with, we lurch from crisis to crisis day on day and the jingoistic, blue tinged, myopiac's bury their heads deeper in the sand and convince themselves that everything is fine and dandy.
 
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SmallTown

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Guardian: America faces supply-chain disruption and shortages. Here’s why​


"There’s a quiet panic happening in the US economy. Medical labs are running out of supplies like pipettes and petri dishes, summer camps and restaurants are having trouble getting food, and automobile, paint and electronics firms are curtailing production because they can’t get semiconductors. One man told me he couldn’t get a Whopper meal at a Burger King in Florida, as there was a sign saying “Sorry, no french fries with any order. We have no potatoes.”

Gas shortages: what is driving Europe’s energy crisis?​


"If you live in continental Europe or the UK the natural gas that heats your home this October is costing at least five times more than it did a year ago."

“Europe principally has two options for additional gas supplies as it is so heavily reliant on imports: Russia or cargoes of liquefied natural gas,” says Tom Marzec-Manser at ICIS, a consultancy. “Neither of those sources have worked as Europe might hope during this crisis.”

Tory Spin though - keep embarrassing yourself without knowing the facts
Suspicious random "New member" immediately becomes one of the brainwashed brexit cult refuseniks.

Here we go again, its sad how desperate the cult is that they have to make up new accounts to try and defend their unicorn.
 

TeessideCleveland

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I’ve heard it all now.
I watched his ‘speech’ (xenophobic rant) today….a very deliberate delivery a day before the European representatives are offering some alternatives despite only signing it on Xmas eve 2019 with both sides in agreement.

The Great Lordy (lardy) Frost has finally spoken some truth in his words today, in that, the protocol was agreed ‘in haste’ and during a period of ‘great uncertainty’
Hahaha…finally, this Tory kabal admit they basically agreed to this momentous agreement too quickly and why was that ?

Because they just needed to’Get Brexit Done’
It didn’t matter that it meant they had no idea of the impact to the people of NI, let’s just sign it so we can tell people in England we’ve done it and it’s a GREAT deal !
Lying Barstewards.

And all because at the Dec election they were made to look like they did what they said they would do….get Brexit done…..no matter the cost.

What an utter kabal we have running this country….
I’m ashamed to be British
It won't affect their lead in the polls - in fact it might increase it
They 'Got Brexit done' , and if they are wanting to change the deal they signed less than 2 years ago the 'No Deal Brexit' supporters will be happy
 
Suspicious random "New member" immediately becomes one of the brainwashed brexit cult refuseniks.

Here we go again, its sad how desperate the cult is that they have to make up new accounts to try and defend their unicorn.
Are you going to respond to the points I've raised? - it's clearly a GLOBAL issue, but no, we are back to the mature name-calling instead of an intelligent conversation

MolteniArcore said it was Tory Spin - I didn't know the Guardian are on the Tories side
 

SmallTown

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It won't affect their lead in the polls - in fact it might increase it
They 'Got Brexit done' , and if they are wanting to change the deal they signed less than 2 years ago the 'No Deal Brexit' supporters will be happy
This is the problem we face isn't it? The "get brexit dun" crowd will support this lot regardless. You only have to look at whoever is behind @DrummerMan . they are so desperate to defend their unicorn they'll make multiple social media accounts to spread lies and misinformation.

It's a horrible situation we are in in this country. I honestly don't know how we escape from the stupidity, bigotry and isolation of Brexit when there is this bizarre cult of people desperate to defend it at all costs. You have to wonder what is wrong with a group of people who will watch a country struggle and make THEMSELVES poorer and more isolated, just to be seen as being correct.

The cult honestly needs a weapons grade psychiatry examination to work out what is wrong with them
 
This is the problem we face isn't it? The "get brexit dun" crowd will support this lot regardless. You only have to look at whoever is behind @DrummerMan . they are so desperate to defend their unicorn they'll make multiple social media accounts to spread lies and misinformation.
And the UK Government have just funded me (££) to start an online publishing company - so prepare for more 'misinformation' in the future - a nice loan from the tax payer to a Teesside Business

You think Murdoch and Lord Rothermere is/was bad, you don't know what's coming... keep your eyes WIDE open and you'll soon see
 
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ThatFragranceGuy

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This quote from cummings:


The former Vote Leave campaign chief said that when Mr Johnson entered Downing Street in 2019, the country was facing the "worst constitutional crisis in a century" with much of what he called the "deep state" angling for "Brino" [Brexit in name only] or a second referendum.
"So we wriggled through with best option we could and intended to get the trolley [his nickname for Boris Johnson] to ditch bits we didn't like after whacking [Labour leader Jeremy] Corbyn. We prioritised," he said.
 
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