NHS England gone

Is this the start of Starmer doing a Trump and thinning out state run departments ? Who's next ,mod ,dhss,civil service ?
 
sherlock said:
Not at all.

I think there are merits to bringing the NHS back under direct ministerial control.

I can’t be celebratory about 10,000 job losses though. These are real people’s lives being turned upside down, not just numbers on a spreadsheet.
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They will be reassigned to monitor posts on football forums
 
I worked for the NHS for 20 years and iv never really understood what NHS England do... Every trust should adhere to the rules of NHS England but none do, south tees have different regulations to north tees and vice versa. South Tees and north tees are going through an unofficial merger with one chief exec and no services are aligned. Someone working in one job is paid at one trust is paid more than the other trust, agenda for change doesn't exist and I have no idea what NHS England do.
 
Those in here celebrating this is how the likes of Musk and Trump get started. Only too many people ready to celebrate the misfortune of others.
 
Ben_Jamin said:
I hope they apply this academy chains too. Loads of people working for them, who’ve never seen a kid or set foot in school, creaming it off when schools can’t afford books and staff.
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Definitely should apply. Each trust has loads of staff who never see the chalk face. Keep themselves relevant by putting lots of pressure on sound teaching staff.

Academies are all set up to do well for OFSTED. Rasing standards team and Directors of Learning earn well over 50K and offer nowt, i.m.o. to the education of a child
 
sherlock said:
Those in here celebrating this is how the likes of Musk and Trump get started. Only too many people ready to celebrate the misfortune of others.
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My understanding is that this Government was elected on the basis of change. I am certainly not celebrating the fact that people will lose jobs but if we are to make an honest attempt at getting the NHS back on it's feet then sadly for those involved the billions wasted on bloated back office services must end and be diverted to the sharp end. To liken that to Trump/Musk is disingenuous. Surely we all want the NHS and our other public services to be more efficient and achieve what they were set up to do not become a vehicle for meaningless jobs that produce zero outcomes for the public.
 
Hicktonpen10 said:
My understanding is that this Government was elected on the basis of change. I am certainly not celebrating the fact that people will lose jobs but if we are to make an honest attempt at getting the NHS back on it's feet then sadly for those involved the billions wasted on bloated back office services must end and be diverted to the sharp end. To liken that to Trump/Musk is disingenuous. Surely we all want the NHS and our other public services to be more efficient and achieve what they were set up to do not become a vehicle for meaningless jobs that produce zero outcomes for the public.
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Someone actually used the word ‘celebrate’.

You’re using words like bloated and meaningless based on what knowledge? What evidence?

On what are you basing your view that back office staffing is ‘bloated’?

Which jobs are ‘meaningless’? You said billions is wasted so you clearly have thousands of examples.
 
sherlock said:
Someone actually used the word ‘celebrate’.

You’re using words like bloated and meaningless based on what knowledge? What evidence?

On what are you basing your view that back office staffing is ‘bloated’?

Which jobs are ‘meaningless’? You said billions is wasted so you clearly have thousands of examples.
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About 9000 examples actually. Streeting estimated today that about 9k posts will go on the abolition of NHSE. I will stand to be corrected if DHSC appoint all those posts within the Department of Health but that seems highly unlikely. As I said earlier these useless quangos spend 380 billion of our money and most if not all could and should follow in being wound up and the billions diverted to the front line. Maybe then we will see real change in our decrepit public services.
 
Hicktonpen10 said:
About 9000 examples actually. Streeting estimated today that about 9k posts will go on the abolition of NHSE. I will stand to be corrected if DHSC appoint all those posts within the Department of Health but that seems highly unlikely. As I said earlier these useless quangos spend 380 billion of our money and most if not all could and should follow in being wound up and the billions diverted to the front line. Maybe then we will see real change in our decrepit public services.
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You didn’t answer a single one of my questions.

You said ‘bloated’, ‘meaningless’ etc. What is your evidence for this apart from just taking what Labour are saying?

I repeat, this is how the likes of Trump and Musk get a foothold, people just accepting what they say with zero evidence.

You said billions with regards to NHS England. Billions plural so it has to be at least two billion. Even 9,000 posts at £50,000 average (in reality it won’t be anything like this) is £450 million, not even a quarter of your claimed billions total.

Even if we accept that those 9,000 jobs are ‘meaningless’ (I don’t) where is your other 75% coming from?
 
Billy Horner said:
Let me get this right.

The entirety of the left/centre left was appalled when NHS England was established under the Lansley reforms. It was derided as unnecessary, bureaucratic and undemocratic. The reforms as a whole were seen to be heralding privatisation by the back door.

So, now, a Labour Prime Minister is abolishing NHS England and returning its responsibilities to a Labour Health Secretary, who can be held to account by a democratically elected House of Commons. Reasons for celebration on the left, no?

Apparently not. Presumably simply because the PM is Keir Starmer and the Health Secretary is Wes Streeting.
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Well said
 
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