New Zealand

[NZBoro1]

If a vaccine or effective treatment is found soon, it will look excellent. But they haven't had the epidemic yet ... so will have to stay isolated for a long time to avoid it.

I think that the one thing we are all aware of here is that we will be isolated until there is a vaccine. The govt have been pretty clear on that from day 1.
That's one thing that the govt here have got very right, communication. No fluffy lines, you know exactly where you stand and what the consequences are.

 

[boromike85]

6% is the direct value which is far too simplistic. There is also indirect and domestic. It is about triple the 6%. Also, it ignores the fact that the economy of a lot of the individual locations rely almost 100% on tourism. Auckland and Wellington will be ok, they don't rely on tourism but places like Queensland, Rotorua, Bay of Islands, the glaciers and the sounds etc couldn't cope economically without tourism.

That is very different to the UK where most of the tourism is to London.

 

[Malaguena]

I think most people approve of the lockdown here, but equally object to it if they believe they could meet the principles by other actions than "Stay at home". A lot of people will be 'happy' as the lockdown eases, but still be very cautionary as to how they practically move out of lockdown.

"I think most people approve of the lockdown here, but equally object to it if they believe they could meet the principles by other actions than "Stay at home" "

And indeed some people approve of the lockdown as long as it doesn't apply to them

 

[Cardiffdaffs]

6% is the direct value which is far too simplistic. There is also indirect and domestic. It is about triple the 6%. Also, it ignores the fact that the economy of a lot of the individual locations rely almost 100% on tourism. Auckland and Wellington will be ok, they don't rely on tourism but places like Queensland, Rotorua, Bay of Islands, the glaciers and the sounds etc couldn't cope economically without tourism.

That is very different to the UK where most of the tourism is to London.

The value of tourism in the UK is key to many parts of the country and your point about outside the cities is equally true over here. You only have to watch the feature on BBC Breakfast this morning at 8:12 to understand the catastrophic effect this is having in the Lake District, Blackpool for example and Dorset. Inward investment from tourism into Uk has lost £15 billion and domestic tourism £29 billion. So far!

The point is that NZ is no more dependent on tourism as ourselves. Probably less so. They are in no hurry to open the borders as I am painfully aware. I have family there I would love to visit ASAP.

 

[hopesoboro]

In fact tourism in NZ makes up just under 6% of GDP so not as dependent as you say. They will keep their borders closed for as long as it takes.

I was questioning that myself Zoo, not that I have any "knowledge" on the subject!

 

[A]

The value of tourism in the UK is key to many parts of the country and your point about outside the cities is equally true over here. You only have to watch the feature on BBC Breakfast this morning at 8:12 to understand the catastrophic effect this is having in the Lake District, Blackpool for example and Dorset. Inward investment from tourism into Uk has lost £15 billion and domestic tourism £29 billion. So far!

The point is that NZ is no more dependent on tourism as ourselves. Probably less so. They are in no hurry to open the borders as I am painfully aware. I have family there I would love to visit ASAP.

Absolutely. Perhaps the tourist numbers, i.e.visitors, is greater in London, but from an economic perspective, places such as those you've mentioned, and I would add Northumberland, rely on tourist £s for their local economy as a much higher percentage of money spent there. Little towns like seahouses, alnwick, bamburgh, etc totally rely on tourism, there is little else to support those communities fiscally

 

[Randy]

If a vaccine or effective treatment is found soon, it will look excellent. But they haven't had the epidemic yet ... so will have to stay isolated for a long time to avoid it.

All they have to do is keep the borders closed.

 

[Anton_Berg]

She studied drama with Tony Blair as tutor. The rest is luck and hindsight.

 

[bear66]

All they have to do is keep the borders closed.

I think that'll be one of the announcements for the UK on Sunday. Even UK citizens needing to quarantine.

 

[Zoophonic]

She studied drama with Tony Blair as tutor. The rest is luck and hindsight.

Don’t understand that comment - what is luck and hindsight?

 

[Anton_Berg]

Imagine if the number of deaths for the UK (or to be fairer, England) was the same as NZ. People would be thinking 'why did they have to crash the economy and ruin me and my familys prospects. It was a sledgehammer to crack a nut'.

 

[bear66]

Imagine if the number of deaths for the UK (or to be fairer, England) was the same as NZ. People would be thinking 'why did they have to crash the economy and ruin me and my familys prospects. It was a sledgehammer to crack a nut'.

New Zealand, taiwan, South Korea will thrive as the delayers suffer.

 

[Malaguena]

I think that'll be one of the announcements for the UK on Sunday. Even UK citizens needing to quarantine.

Yes, I have a personal interest in this, but I believe the following to be true regardless....

A blanket quarantine for all arrivals would be completely wrong - a complete overreaction. Stable doors and horses bolting come to mind.

Quarantine from Asia and Africa probably, and possibly America ? - for short haul arrivals from European countries, where trends are improving, a test and track mechanism should be put in place. I can only speak for Spain, but here they're also talking about temperature checks before boarding a flight, and you'll need to arrive 4 hours before departure. There will also almost certainly be some requirement for arrivals but not defined yet.

Borders crossings need to remain open to get economies moving again. This is recognised in all the major European markets

 

[Zoophonic]

Imagine if the number of deaths for the UK (or to be fairer, England) was the same as NZ. People would be thinking 'why did they have to crash the economy and ruin me and my familys prospects. It was a sledgehammer to crack a nut'.

Strange take but even if it was fortune (which I don’t agree with as Ardern made her own luck ) hindsight has nothing to with taking immediate action and locking down borders. I’m not sure this current Government would have changed the way they acted. I am still convinced they don’t admit to allowing The Cheltenham Festival or The Euro game at Anfield with 3000 travelling Madrid fans to go ahead as anything wrong.

 

[Funky_Chicken]

Absolutely brilliant job she’s done That’s what left wing politics can do for a country Get her over here when she’s done there, pay her what ever she wants

 

[NZBoro1]

Absolutely brilliant job she’s done That’s what left wing politics can do for a country Get her over here when she’s done there, pay her what ever she wants

Get off her, Aunty Cindy is not finished here yet

 

[boromike85]

New Zealand, taiwan, South Korea will thrive as the delayers suffer.

Possibly. Alternatively they are running their economy at full capacity when there is nobody to trade with. Once the rest of the world has had the virus and people have recovered and everything reopens and cases start spreading again in those countries they will have to shut down when the rest of the world is back up and running.

*This isn't what I think will happen but just making the point that it is far too early to tell what all of these countries will look like when this is over.

 

[Cardiffdaffs]

Possibly. Alternatively they are running their economy at full capacity when there is nobody to trade with. Once the rest of the world has had the virus and people have recovered and everything reopens and cases start spreading again in those countries they will have to shut down when the rest of the world is back up and running.

*This isn't what I think will happen but just making the point that it is far too early to tell what all of these countries will look like when this is over.

Bit of a moot point in as much as how long will it take to recover from this. Years I’d say.

 

[bear66]

Possibly. Alternatively they are running their economy at full capacity when there is nobody to trade with. Once the rest of the world has had the virus and people have recovered and everything reopens and cases start spreading again in those countries they will have to shut down when the rest of the world is back up and running.

*This isn't what I think will happen but just making the point that it is far too early to tell what all of these countries will look like when this is over.

We'll not really know for a few years. Having lived for a long time in Taiwan, it is a very dynamic country that seems to beat the odds of adversity.

They've got systems in place to stop it reappearing, as they did when they went into action on 4 January.

 

[Liamo]

All they have to do is keep the borders closed.

They don't even need to do that. If they can maintain a robust surveillance, testing and tracing system (which they've done a pretty good job of so far) that should enable them to avoid (or quickly quell) any new outbreaks that might occur, if and when they start to open up again.