New Zealand

Jacinda Ardern will rightly come out of this with a lot of credit, but as with Sweden's approach, it works for them in their situation.
The main feature of her leadership (apart from the fact that she has it when true leadership is in short supply in a lot of countries) is that she's very empathetic as well as very decisive. She chose a path and was laser focused on it while at the same time being able to reassure the population that they were in it together, in a world where people are becoming more partisan that is no mean feat. She's dealt with mass shootings and natural disasters with empathy too.
We've got far too many d*ck-waving, macho leaders and wannabe strongmen who think they can fight this virus and value their economies over life. Jacinda Ardern prioritised the public health concerns and while they'll probably have to isolate and protect themselves from the rest of the world for a while, they'll be able to get their economy up and running long before many others.
 
Are you trying to compare NZ with anywhere else in the world?
My mate who lives there reckons “not much has changed before and after lockdown, but if it was a disease of sheep, then it might be different story”
 
Basically what Dooderooni & Stocko said. We've done well, so far, could have done better in some things.
We've had PPE issues, some families not being able to visit loved ones with terminal diseases near to death, and our tourism and hospo industry is really suffering.
Half of our deaths have been from one rest home, so the provision of PPE outside of the state run health units needs to be looked at.
However, I'm fairly confident that we can recover from this quicker than some other countries, and whereas our geography is normally a hindrance this time its a godsend.
The problem will be in the future, air travel is going to be very expensive, for a short while at least, which will mean us looking inwards for the majority of our goods & other services. Luckily, we have plenty of manufacturing facilities here, and are able to grow enough food to feed ourselves. Its mainly medical supplies that we look to the rest of the world for.

Funnily enough, listening to other countries leaders, one thing our Govt has never said is that this is a war against a virus, and that we are going to fight it. The emphasis has always been about sticking together, sticking to the plan, go early go hard, don't relax before the final whistle is blown, so more sporting analogy really.
 
dooderooni said:
Jacinda Ardern will rightly come out of this with a lot of credit, but as with Sweden's approach, it works for them in their situation.
The main feature of her leadership (apart from the fact that she has it when true leadership is in short supply in a lot of countries) is that she's very empathetic as well as very decisive. She chose a path and was laser focused on it while at the same time being able to reassure the population that they were in it together, in a world where people are becoming more partisan that is no mean feat. She's dealt with mass shootings and natural disasters with empathy too.
We've got far too many d*ck-waving, macho leaders and wannabe strongmen who think they can fight this virus and value their economies over life. Jacinda Ardern prioritised the public health concerns and while they'll probably have to isolate and protect themselves from the rest of the world for a while, they'll be able to get their economy up and running long before many others.
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Is Sweden’s approach working though?
 
atypical_boro said:
Is Sweden’s approach working though?
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Not according to their own foreign minister and epidemiologist or public opinion on how they haven't protected the elderly in care homes. Although, most countries are struggling with the last point. A science bod this morning talking about shielding, saying it should be extended to care home staff, and carers. I'm sure that a lot of people, particularly relative carers, will be doing that but I'm surprised this wasn't obvious at the beginning.
 
bear66 said:
Not according to their own foreign minister and epidemiologist or public opinion on how they haven't protected the elderly in care homes. Although, most countries are struggling with the last point. A science bod this morning talking about shielding, saying it should be extended to care home staff, and carers. I'm sure that a lot of people, particularly relative carers, will be doing that but I'm surprised this wasn't obvious at the beginning.
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How would that work though out of curiosity?
 
RandySavage said:
How would that work though out of curiosity?
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Some care homes went to live-in early on. But, it could involve an extra level of isolation for workers. Clearly travel would be necessary, but food supply and more extreme social distancing. It's a weak shielding policy of the elderly if those caring for them have no additional measures in place keeping them away from the virus.
 
Ah yes I get you now. My wife was asked to live in but she declined due to the fact we have two kids at home who are both still very young.
 
New Zealand are so far away from everyone that they are used to being self-sufficient. The distance means importing isn't usually the cheapest option for them. In that sense, shutting everything down is easy fr them to do. The problem is a huge portion of their economy is reliant on tourism so they will have to re-open their borders at some point. If it takes 18 months for the virus to be eradicated worldwide then can they keep those tourists out for all of that time without doing too much damage to their economy? They have something like a population of 5m and get 4m tourists a year.
 
NZBoro, my sister lives in the Wairui Valley and she has been saying that there is a fair number of Kiwis complaining about the government handling of the crisis. This, sitting in the Uk seems ridiculous, maybe some folks just like a moan at government, I don't know.
 
If a vaccine or effective treatment is found soon, it will look excellent. But they haven't had the epidemic yet ... so will have to stay isolated for a long time to avoid it.
 
borolad259 said:
If a vaccine or effective treatment is found soon, it will look excellent. But they haven't had the epidemic yet ... so will have to stay isolated for a long time to avoid it.
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No one has had the epidemic yet. Lockdowns or consensual lockdowns have suppressed it.
 
bear66 said:
Fairly high approval rating. 80% give 1 or 2 out of 5 in the first opinion poll.
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I don't disagree Bear, my sister's social media is full of kiwi's complaining, all the same. No idea why, and they just need to look around at the rest of the world.

I also liked how quickly NZ reacted to the shooting at Christchurch. No prevarication, just a law change.
 
Laughing said:
I don't disagree Bear, my sister's social media is full of kiwi's complaining, all the same. No idea why, and they just need to look around at the rest of the world.

I also liked how quickly NZ reacted to the shooting at Christchurch. No prevarication, just a law change.
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I think most people approve of the lockdown here, but equally object to it if they believe they could meet the principles by other actions than "Stay at home". A lot of people will be 'happy' as the lockdown eases, but still be very cautionary as to how they practically move out of lockdown.
 
boromike85 said:
New Zealand are so far away from everyone that they are used to being self-sufficient. The distance means importing isn't usually the cheapest option for them. In that sense, shutting everything down is easy fr them to do. The problem is a huge portion of their economy is reliant on tourism so they will have to re-open their borders at some point. If it takes 18 months for the virus to be eradicated worldwide then can they keep those tourists out for all of that time without doing too much damage to their economy? They have something like a population of 5m and get 4m tourists a year.
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In fact tourism in NZ makes up just under 6% of GDP so not as dependent as you say. They will keep their borders closed for as long as it takes.
 
As zoo says, about 6% dependent, and if we get an aussie bubble that will help as a lot come over the ditch for skiing in Winter and holidays in Summer.
Some are complaining that is true, but from what I see it's the minority. I dont tend to take a lot of notice of comments on social media, it's a lot like working in a public service or where you serve the public. How often do you hear when you've done a poor job and people aren't happy, and how often when they are?
It's time to move on here now though, and I think the public and govt are aware of that. They seem to be setting us up for level 2 soon, hopefully next week. Fingers crossed that's the case.
Whatever happens, I cant see me getting to a home game for a couple of years, that's for sure.
 
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