Net Migration 728000

Doom_On_Horseback said:
What’s with that?
I’ve never really had my finger on the political pulse but now I live abroad, I really don’t know what’s the expectation here?
I’ve read lots of post on FB (of course) asking to sign this petition, I’ve even had some friends forward the link to me!
What exactly has he done that’s getting people riled?
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Been successful. The far right hate that. They'll REALLY hate the labour have reduced immigration so much
 
The Ruthsayer said:
That would be the Brexit that allowed approx 4 million Eastern Europeans to drive down the cost of Labour, so that the ordinary working class person saw their value decrease whilst the directors increased their profit margins and share value? Have you not read Grapes of Wrath, or the Ragged Trousers Philanthropist? Why do you think true left-wingers, like Corbyn, were against Freedom of Movement?
Probably be banned for this statement, but some people display staggering naivety.
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4 million over how many years? We replaced free movement for europeans (a lot of whom would stay a few years then go home) with visa's for anyone from anywhere in the world who could earn just over minimum wage. Europeans mostly came as young single people - people from other continents want to bring their families with them - this adds pressure on houseing and education.

Before brexit net migration was 200,000, now its nearly a million - so yeah, it was a great idea.

As for Corbyn, he was as wrong about brexit as he is about pretty much everything else, as are you, chumpy.
 
Love to know the stats for people leaving the UK permanently for the same period, British or not. Also I think in general there needs to be real education on the difference between illegal immigration, legal immigration and asylum seekers, alot of people think its all the same, which is clearly wrong
 
Ironops said:
Down from the revised figure of 900k the previous year.

I thought Brexit was all about taking back control of our borders?

But we should be pleased - immigration adds billions to the economy
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yup.. and the country didn't have to pay for education or heath care to get them here. not to mention how many are working below minimum wage.
 
Increasing immigration is only going to kick the can down the road. If the birth rate doesn't increase then when all those additional people get older we will need more immigration to cover the cost for those people and it will continue to be necessary to increase the number of people in the country forever.

The reality is that people aren't having enough children because of the economic conditions. A huge portion of government spending is on looking after people that have retired (via pension and healthcare) and those numbers are increasing because the age groups that are retiring now are the largest in existence and they are living longer. The working age population have to put more of their income towards it via taxes and they are also getting less out of the system because things such as housing costs have spiralled out of control. That is going to cause things to get much worse in the future when people retire, at 70 rather than 60, still in rented accommodation. People are having children much later in life because it takes so long to get started with a career and to get settled with a home. Salaries have been declining for 15 years so the middle classes have almost disappeared. We don't have a huge high-wage industry scrabbling around for highly skilled people so the majority of people arriving here via immigration are doing so at the lower/median ends of the scale and they will be competing with the people already here for jobs, housing and infrastructure.

All we are doing with increased immigration is covering the costs to look after pensioners today while laying the foundations for millennials and gen Z to being required to work until they die or retire in poverty. Things are only going to get worse because the triple lock means the proportion of public spending on pensions is only going to increase while increased immigration means wage stagnation and the lack of housing is going to make things worse for workers because the proportion of their wages they have to spend on housing is going to increase.

The most obvious solution is to tax the wealthy more but with an ever increasing % of the wealthy being in a demographic of people that don't consider themselves wealthy and they no longer work so aren't paying income tax like they were then how do we tax it? We have to recognise that wealth isn't related to current income but to find a way of raising tax from capital tied up in homes, pensions and savings. It doesn't even have to be via tax directly, incentivising savings, incentivising passing on inheritance early, encouraging downsizing of homes etc. Things that will benefit the economy and the working age members of families instead of being stuck in an unproductive pile of expensive bricks and land. I don't know why there is an obsession with taking all your money to your grave and then having someone inherit it when they would have benefited far greater receiving it in their 20s and 30s.
 
Ironops said:
We dont have them because the previous government didnt build them. Now the current govt have to find the money to pay for it all
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The irresponsible and ignorant working class (of which were all part) voting in the Tories
The Ruthsayer said:
That would be the Brexit that allowed approx 4 million Eastern Europeans to drive down the cost of Labour, so that the ordinary working class person saw their value decrease whilst the directors increased their profit margins and share value? Have you not read Grapes of Wrath, or the Ragged Trousers Philanthropist? Why do you think true left-wingers, like Corbyn, were against Freedom of Movement?
Probably be banned for this statement, but some people display staggering naivety.
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And let's not forget one of the main reasons. The anti trade union movement.
 
Do these figures include the children of the super-rich who spend summers here on bought and paid for passports and spend their parents’ cold, hard cash in Harrods before going back to their penthouses in Belgravia?
 
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Funny how the Tory spokesperson I heard being interviewed this morning was admitting there is a net cost to the country of low skilled immigrants something they would never accept when in power and craving GDP growth!

On Brexit I believe there is good evidence it has impacted emigration significantly and consequently the net overall figure.
 
Ironops said:
4 million over how many years? We replaced free movement for europeans (a lot of whom would stay a few years then go home) with visa's for anyone from anywhere in the world who could earn just over minimum wage. Europeans mostly came as young single people - people from other continents want to bring their families with them - this adds pressure on houseing and education.

Before brexit net migration was 200,000, now its nearly a million - so yeah, it was a great idea.

As for Corbyn, he was as wrong about brexit as he is about pretty much everything else, as are you, chumpy.
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Have you checked how many Eastern Europeans settled in the UK due to FoM?
We disagree on this, fine. But ‘chumpy’ is excellent 👍
 
1AitorKaranka said:
well obviously, because you've got more people here.

All about what slice of the pie each person gets though.
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Each migrant is a profit for the UK, on average. Without migration we would be absolutely screwed as the UK is heavily reliant on the labour force, and we don't have enough of those being supplied internally or enough will to actually do it internally, and haven't for a very long time.

Our birth rate is also through the floor, which is not self sustaining, which means the population will become more and more top heavy, this makes things worse and worse as you have less money in and more going out. Immigration helps solve this, as immigrants coming are generally of working age, and working mentality, and the ones we manage to export to Benidorm are of retirement age, so it's good both ways.

Immigrants are not the reason why people are getting a smaller slice of the pie, they're one of the reasons the piece of the pie is actually bigger than it otherwise would be.

The reason the pie has shrunk is because of 14 years of the Tories and also Brexit. Then you also have the rich Tories taking more as a % of that smaller pie, which means there is even less to go around.

We're in one hell of a hole which will take at least a decade to climb out of, but at least Labour seem to be trying to go in the right direction, not flooring it in reverse like the Tories did for so long.
 
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