Net Migration 728000

Ironops said:
Down from the revised figure of 900k the previous year.

I thought Brexit was all about taking back control of our borders?

But we should be pleased - immigration adds billions to the economy
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well obviously, because you've got more people here.

All about what slice of the pie each person gets though.
 
It does seem a lot given that the last government made such a big deal about wanting to bring migration down.
This figure for the last year on their watch is lower than the record numbers the previous year, but it all points to a clear failure to achieve one of their big objectives.
It's a lose-lose really, they implemented policies that had a downside of sacrificing some of the economic growth benefit of allowing higher migration. This was sold as a sacrifice worth making to lower migration, but it looks like it has ended up just being an act of self-harm.
 
With the Tories it was all talk about bringing down immigration which is why the had no back up to the Rwanda scheme and why they claimed it was the number one priority , they like to talk big on immigration because they like to blame someone for housing crisis, low wages, stagnant growth, NHS waiting times, class sizes etc so they did not have to take ownership of their failed policies helped by our biased media it has worked on the hard of thinking. Also what is the betting the revised figures will be higher.
 
Mustoes boots said:
With the Tories it was all talk about bringing down immigration which is why the had no back up to the Rwanda scheme and why they claimed it was the number one priority , they like to talk big on immigration because they like to blame someone for housing crisis, low wages, stagnant growth, NHS waiting times, class sizes etc so they did not have to take ownership of their failed policies helped by our biased media it has worked on the hard of thinking. Also what is the betting the revised figures will be higher.
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Also lots of unforeseen consequences - tuition fees introduced in 2010 havent risen so universities now have to attract more foreign students to bridge the gap in finances, hence in 2019 student numbers were 125k, in 2023 they were 400k, at one stage there were more people coming to study than to work!

But what gets all the headlines? Asylum seekers, whose numbers have been largely flat for a long time. They are much more visible now due to the Tory govt stopping people claiming asylum from abroad and forcing people on to small boats though.

And at the root of it all? Brexit
 
10% of the population.
We don't have 10% more schools, homes, hospitals, care homes, doctors (we don't have any dentists full stop)
However who will wipe your **** and drive your taxi and do your heart surgery etc etc without them?
An ongoing very thorny problem.
 
zzzzz said:
10% of the population.
We don't have 10% more schools, homes, hospitals, care homes, doctors (we don't have any dentists full stop)
However who will wipe your **** and drive your taxi and do your heart surgery etc etc without them?
An ongoing very thorny problem.
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We dont have them because the previous government didnt build them. Now the current govt have to find the money to pay for it all
 
zzzzz said:
10% of the population.
We don't have 10% more schools, homes, hospitals, care homes, doctors (we don't have any dentists full stop)
However who will wipe your **** and drive your taxi and do your heart surgery etc etc without them?
An ongoing very thorny problem.
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10%?
Think your math is wrong there
 
On the one hand we are told that immigration is bad, but on the other we are told that the birth rate is to low, which will lead to future economic problems. Surely allowing some more immigration and getting these people to be economically active would be positive for society.
The biggest problem is that the state has not provided an increase in infrastructure to allow the population to expand. We are short of houses, hospitals, doctors, dentists etc. We are not short of land that could be developed, just need to manage Nimbyism.
 
zzzzz said:
10% of the population.
We don't have 10% more schools, homes, hospitals, care homes, doctors (we don't have any dentists full stop)
However who will wipe your **** and drive your taxi and do your heart surgery etc etc without them?
An ongoing very thorny problem.
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It isn’t quite as bleak as you seem to think. Some of those immigrants will be teachers, builders, doctors, care homes workers and dentists. That’s what people need to get their head round. Don’t “daily mail” and hate immigrants for being immigrants
 
Over 80% are working age - 16 to 64. Successive governements are encouraging migration of working age people, our birth rate is falling and average life span increasing. In 1970 there were 4 working tax payers for every pensioner, today we are just under 3, in 15 years time they think it could dip below 2. Add to that an increasing number relying on welfare - growing at around 6% per year.
This all means we need to import working age tax payers to support the economy, downside is much higher housing costs, overstretched public services, more government debt just to keep things as they are = higher taxation.
It's a spiral that we can't get out of without increasing the birth rate - it's currently at 1.57, would have to be well above 2. The forecast trend is it will keep falling - higher housing costs & taxation mean people can't or think they can't afford to have children or more children.
What's the next alternative, reduce the number of pensioners - increase the pension age, or find a way to stop them living so long...
 
Ironops said:
Also lots of unforeseen consequences - tuition fees introduced in 2010 havent risen so universities now have to attract more foreign students to bridge the gap in finances, hence in 2019 student numbers were 125k, in 2023 they were 400k, at one stage there were more people coming to study than to work!

But what gets all the headlines? Asylum seekers, whose numbers have been largely flat for a long time. They are much more visible now due to the Tory govt stopping people claiming asylum from abroad and forcing people on to small boats though.

And at the root of it all? Brexit
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That would be the Brexit that allowed approx 4 million Eastern Europeans to drive down the cost of Labour, so that the ordinary working class person saw their value decrease whilst the directors increased their profit margins and share value? Have you not read Grapes of Wrath, or the Ragged Trousers Philanthropist? Why do you think true left-wingers, like Corbyn, were against Freedom of Movement?
Probably be banned for this statement, but some people display staggering naivety.
 
TeessideCleveland said:
Starmer and Liebour out!
Everybody sign the petition for a general election
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What’s with that?
I’ve never really had my finger on the political pulse but now I live abroad, I really don’t know what’s the expectation here?
I’ve read lots of post on FB (of course) asking to sign this petition, I’ve even had some friends forward the link to me!
What exactly has he done that’s getting people riled?
 
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