Negativity is now okay?

Scrug said:
Yeah, but they had a striker who banger in an insane amount of goals and quality footballers all over the pitch.

I’m not sure we’re better off than we were last season.
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Go man for man with the team that ended last season, I think we're a lot stronger, more senior players, more options.

Who would you have kept from those gone, who wouldn't you have from the new arrivals?
 
coluka said:
If we go with the squad we have built to date, then, as an SC holder, I feel like I been duped, frankly I feel like Wilder himself has been duped too. I once referred to the owner as the emporer with his new clothes. I thought he had learned from a previously harsh lesson, when he went down the Scott and Wilder route, but it appears as I type, right now, he hasn’t.

I now feel Gibson is happy for Boro to be a well run Championship club with little ambition, and our support is taken for granted. I will be amazed if Wilder will be our manager for much longer as he hasn’t been supported in the way he told us he expected to be.

There is nothing wrong with doing just this by the way, providing it comes with a large dose of honesty. To infer one thing at or around SC sale time and then do something far different is somewhere on a scale of misleading to fraudulent.

I have worked with CEO’s that promise the earth and deliver pluto. I will forever be grateful for his financial support of Boro, but I no longer have faith in his honesty and ambition ‘to make Boro great again’. I appreciate this will anger and perplex some of you, but it is heartfelt based on my love of Boro and desire to get to the Premier League.
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Agree completely. A massive chance has been spurned by the club.
 
Nosmo-King said:
And put our record from now across the season and we would be around 20 defeats…… somewhat dilutes whatever point you were hoping to make
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Extrapolating only works if the future variables are likely to remain the same as the previous variables. We would need to actually start playing poorly, and do it against worse teams to do that, do you think that would happen, even if we kept the same squad? I don't, not by a long shot.

We've played 4/5 good sides in that 7, and not been outclassed in any of them, the next 13 for example, are largely muck, and I don't expect us to be outclassed in any of those either.

Extrapolating after 23 games would be almost fair, but that also wouldn't factor that we had played Watford, Norwich and Burnley all away.

Our biggest problem is midfield depth, and then another striker, we don't have much room for manouvre in those areas, if we want to compete over 46 games, fit into a tight window.
 
Scrug said:
Yeah, but they had a striker who banger in an insane amount of goals and quality footballers all over the pitch.

I’m not sure we’re better off than we were last season.
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We’ve got Muniz which is about one hundred times better than the dross we had to watch up front for most of last season. The midfield has been weakened by the loss of Tav, and to a lesser extent Payero. Giles is a weapon offensively but not quite so good at defending. We probably are going to score a lot more but we’re going to concede more, which may cancel out any benefit from hitting the opposition net more often. It’s frustrating because it was obvious that losing our best midfield player was going to need a very good replacement to make up for it
 
Andy_W said:
Extrapolating only works if the future variables are likely to remain the same as the previous variables. We would need to actually start playing poorly, and do it against worse teams to do that, do you think that would happen, even if we kept the same squad? I don't, not by a long shot.

We've played 4/5 good sides in that 7, and not been outclassed in any of them, the next 13 for example, are largely muck, and I don't expect us to be outclassed in any of those either.

Extrapolating after 23 games would be almost fair, but that also wouldn't factor that we had played Watford, Norwich and Burnley all away.

Our biggest problem is midfield depth, and then another striker, we don't have much room for manouvre in those areas, if we want to compete over 46 games, fit into a tight window.
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I know all about extrapolating but was pointing out the pathetic attempt to compare our current plight with that of Fulham’s. It made no sense whatsoever
 
nowthen said:
Hilarious/Interesting that some mocked the concerns from others on the board - citing undue negativity … “Back the club!”

Now it seems to be norm, which it should be. If there are concerns and worries they should be voiced and debated.
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Negativity should be the norm? FFS I’m off to bed. A very good night to all the mouth frothers and try and sleep well.
 
Payero rarely played, not missed. Lots of shouting about Mowatt last season, he's here now but apparently not an improvement. If we hadn't signed him there'd be lots crying about it, same goes with Riley McGree. Our best midfield players from last season are still here, Crooks and Howson. Tav had a good second half of the season.

We've added Clarke and Lenihan to the back three, not an improvement on Hall and Samba?

Roberts and Steffen have replaced Lumley and Daniels, no improvement?

Giles has replaced Taylor, no improvement?

Muniz, Forss, Hoppe have replaced Balogan, Connolly and Ikpeazu. We have one decent striker instead of none.

We've got a far better squad, Wilder has to knit them together but it takes more than a month.
 
Nosmo-King said:
I know all about extrapolating but was pointing out the pathetic attempt to compare our current plight with that of Fulham’s. It made no sense whatsoever
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I dunno, I'd say we're a lot closer in ability to where Fulham were, than to 20th.

We don't have Mitrovic mind, but equally, there's no Mitrovic in the league this year. The best player I've seen near that level is Pedro, but he won't score anywhere near as much as Mitro and neither will Sarr. I don't really fear any of the other teams, so don't see anyone walking it, the door is still well and truly open for me.

We could get through to the end with 10 losses, the problem is without the CM and forward getting the wins to offset it, will be difficult, if we have some injury bother.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Payero rarely played, not missed. Lots of shouting about Mowatt last season, he's here now but apparently not an improvement. If we hadn't signed him there'd be lots crying about it, same goes with Riley McGree. Our best midfield players from last season are still here, Crooks and Howson. Tav had a good second half of the season.

We've added Clarke and Lenihan to the back three, not an improvement on Hall and Samba?

Roberts and Steffen have replaced Lumley and Daniels, no improvement?

Giles has replaced Taylor, no improvement?

Muniz, Forss, Hoppe have replaced Balogan, Connolly and Ikpeazu. We have one decent striker instead of none.

We've got a far better squad, Wilder has to knit them together but it takes more than a month.
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So why did he then publicly come out and say what he did

“Stuff has got to happen. We’re light on bodies in the middle of the park and nothing on the bench to come on when we lose Jonny so we’ve got to shift Paddy. Everyone knows where we’re at.”
 
Nobody truly knows what is going on at the Boro. It may be hard to get deals over the line, it may be a case of over-selling the ambition. It is undoubtedly a number of factors, but one thing needs mentioning and that is that the financial crisis we all face over the next year or two is going to impact the club in terms of attendances, particularly if our ticketing policy remains out of step with the local economy.
It'll be a really hard sell next season to persuade people to part with their cash if we don't see any improvement on the pitch this season. A drop in revenue for the club will do nothing to further any ambitions they may have.
I've been optimistic about some of our play this season and confident that we could address some of the defensive issues, but that was all on the presumption that we'd at least replace Tavernier and maybe add another one or two starting standard midfielders into the squad. That is looking unlikely now and that lack of numbers could render improvements in other areas completely ineffective.
I'm not suggesting we should have been splashing cash left right and centre this window, but replacing Tav's energy and legs in midfield should have been the one thing that was paramount once we knew he was leaving. By not doing so we may have wasted the acquisitions of Giles and Muniz who look every inch players capable of winning promotion.
 
Nosmo-King said:
And put our record from now across the season and we would be around 20 defeats…… somewhat dilutes whatever point you were hoping to make
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Oooh Birmingham lost 21 and finished 20th, (nobody lost 20)
can’t believe you think we will finish 20th, but hey ho, like I said there is 46 games in the season, everyone can beat everyone and there’s no guarantee that those at the top will be there at the end of the season, and neither will those at the bottom 👍🏻👍🏻😜
 
Jedi boro said:
So why did he then publicly come out and say what he did
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We've got a lot better I think, and got good depth in some areas, but missing a couple of key pieces which could have got us challenging. We're going to have to be exceptionally lucky with injuries.
 
Stocko said:
Oooh Birmingham lost 21 and finished 20th, (nobody lost 20)
can’t believe you think we will finish 20th, but hey ho, like I said there is 46 games in the season, everyone can beat everyone and there’s no guarantee that those at the top will be there at the end of the season, and neither will those at the bottom 👍🏻👍🏻😜
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Point out where I said we would finish 20th?
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Payero rarely played, not missed. Lots of shouting about Mowatt last season, he's here now but apparently not an improvement. If we hadn't signed him there'd be lots crying about it, same goes with Riley McGree. Our best midfield players from last season are still here, Crooks and Howson. Tav had a good second half of the season.

We've added Clarke and Lenihan to the back three, not an improvement on Hall and Samba?

Roberts and Steffen have replaced Lumley and Daniels, no improvement?

Giles has replaced Taylor, no improvement?

Muniz, Forss, Hoppe have replaced Balogan, Connolly and Ikpeazu. We have one decent striker instead of none.

We've got a far better squad, Wilder has to knit them together but it takes more than a month.
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Individual components can be wonderful, but do not guarantee a functioning unit.

We wont go down but I don’t see us finishing top 6 either. The proof is where we end up, not who we have replaced on a like for like basis. I prefer to win 1-0 than lose 3-2.

I never spoke well of Mowatt for the record and selling Tav was footballing suicide if you do not use the funds to make a statement. Marquee signings my @rse. I think last years team functioned as a team better than this, so far, even with Connolly.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I couldn't give a toss what managers say, they're not there to give excuses etc. They're there to do a job, if they don't make it work they're gone but they have to be given time.
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A tradesman needs to be given the right tools otherwise he is set up to fail. Wilder has been given tools, just not the right ones.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Payero rarely played, not missed. Lots of shouting about Mowatt last season, he's here now but apparently not an improvement. If we hadn't signed him there'd be lots crying about it, same goes with Riley McGree. Our best midfield players from last season are still here, Crooks and Howson. Tav had a good second half of the season.

We've added Clarke and Lenihan to the back three, not an improvement on Hall and Samba?

Roberts and Steffen have replaced Lumley and Daniels, no improvement?

Giles has replaced Taylor, no improvement?

Muniz, Forss, Hoppe have replaced Balogan, Connolly and Ikpeazu. We have one decent striker instead of none.

We've got a far better squad, Wilder has to knit them together but it takes more than a month.
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We have improved overall but also lost our best player and haven’t replaced him
 
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