Norman_Conquest
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The Union was already fragmented but we have given Sturgeon and co an excuse to force a breakaway but that argument is for a post on its own.
Multiple deaths in Channel dinghy accident
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newusername
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@The_Tiler not migrants, asylum seekers. Migrants don't get housing, won't get benefits and if found rough sleeping can be deported.
Through my work I've had limited involvement with a private company that was looking for housing on Teesside for asylum seekers. The company didn't want hotels as it makes it impossible for the people to cook for & feed themselves and so the company has to spend money on providing food for them which cuts into their profits but if that is all that is available then they'll take them. Their preference is Houses in Multiple Occupation as then every room is turned into a bedroom & they can generate maximum revenue from the property.
So Johnson decided to take a wrecking ball approach to the up and coming meeting. He must have known known what the agreed timetable was. These ministers don’t just turn that morning settle down with coffee and croissants with. “ Right lads what we gonna talk about”
Most of it is framed before they even arrived. Now, he got what he…a red card.
He knew France can’t agree to UK cops acting on French soil….the UK would adopt the same attitude.
He thinks this puts Macron dans la merde. Entirely the opposite. The repercussions could be very unpleasant.
Most of it is framed before they even arrived. Now, he got what he…a red card.
He knew France can’t agree to UK cops acting on French soil….the UK would adopt the same attitude.
He thinks this puts Macron dans la merde. Entirely the opposite. The repercussions could be very unpleasant.
Cogeur_le_Conq
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I'm currently looking to move back to Teesside so have spent the last 6 months studying the market up there.
I'm looking for 4 bedrooms but I can't believe how cheap HMOs are in Stockton and Middlesbrough.
At the moment there's a 9 bedder on Hartington Rd, Stockton for only £65k.
Maybe more students are moving into official halls of residence, leaving loads of dirt cheap
6 to 14 bedroom properties available on places like Southfield Road and Woodlands Road in the Boro.
Putting asylum seekers in HMOs would be better than MBC's stupid idea of putting them in unsellable boarded up terraced houses with red doors to identify which ones are occupied.
They may as well have given them stripy pyjamas with the star of David on.
newusername
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Durham Uni have repurposed Queen's Campus from UG & PG's to international foundation year students. It has gone from c.3k students to c.1k students and much less than that due to Covid in the last couple of years.
There are about 1000 beds in Halls in Stockton and so the bottom has fallen out of the student HMO market unless it is high quality.
jam69
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Which hotels?
So having just watched a BBC report on it the simple answer to 'why' is because it works.
Of the 25k making the trip since Jan 88% of asylum applications are successful, and the others stay anyway, only 5 , yes 5 were returned to Europe.
No wonder then that they do it.
And who could blame them?
Of the 25k making the trip since Jan 88% of asylum applications are successful, and the others stay anyway, only 5 , yes 5 were returned to Europe.
No wonder then that they do it.
And who could blame them?
Muttley
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Your logic is rather distorted. Refugees in France get more help than in the UK and no need to risk your life, you're already there. The main reason (from surveys) appears to be that they have family already in the UK
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I took the data directly from a BBC report.
Once they manage to get here the success rate for applications is much higher than France.
I accept the relatives and English language arguments to a degree but that doesn't account for the huge jump in numbers.. getting an 88% chance of a new life away from poverty and persecution seems to it.
Muttley
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Yes but they WANT to come to the UK so don't apply for asylum in France. You have only looked at the success rate for achieving asylum not the motivation and extrapolated your own "motivation", yet when questioned those attempting to get to the UK do not know anything about success rates or levels of benefits. Given that it is so difficult to get to the UK they have to have a very good reason to risk their lives in an overcrowded dinghy. Success rate is not the primary motivation, not even close.
Muttley
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If you don't know what the "success rate" is how is it a motivation?
Those questioned said they were trying to get to the UK because they had family already there. Others said that they spoke English. The first named victim of this tragedy was a Kurdish woman trying to get to her fiancée.
Oh I'm sure some people may think that way but it appears to be well down the list of factors that those prepared to attempt the crossing give.
Those questioned said they were trying to get to the UK because they had family already there. Others said that they spoke English. The first named victim of this tragedy was a Kurdish woman trying to get to her fiancée.
Oh I'm sure some people may think that way but it appears to be well down the list of factors that those prepared to attempt the crossing give.
Smoginexile
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Thanks Molten.
Finally a simple straightforward answer to a genuine question I just could not work out.
Why can't our politicians and media do that?
MolteniArcore
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Sadly it doesn't fit the Government's narrative. They need to play on the migrants to keep their share of the vote. Sad times.
SmallTown
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There is a need to demonise them to hide the true problems this country is facing.
Randy
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I also thinks students have eventually cottoned on to the fact that most student houses are absolute dives where the landlord only cares about his rent intake and . The one my wife lived in for 6 months when she went to university in Leeds was horrible. The whole street was.
In the case of Middlesbrough, why did the council knock down the high rise flats? They could have easily been kept in use to house migrants and asylum seekers with offices at the bottom to help with access to education, jobs, getting paperwork in order etc.
The French fight back- there is some hard hitting stuff in here.
Britain has a labour market akinn to modern slavery.
There is no legal way for migrants to enter Britain, safe routes must be opened.
France accepted 150,000 asylum applications last year. UK accepted 30,000
Britain not co-operating with French intelligence services.
Britain was sent the names of two people smugglers based in Germany and the UK- no acknowledgement from the UK
Human traffickers based in the UK and Germany
www.theguardian.com
Britain has a labour market akinn to modern slavery.
There is no legal way for migrants to enter Britain, safe routes must be opened.
France accepted 150,000 asylum applications last year. UK accepted 30,000
Britain not co-operating with French intelligence services.
Britain was sent the names of two people smugglers based in Germany and the UK- no acknowledgement from the UK
Human traffickers based in the UK and Germany
Channel crossings are an English issue, says French minister
UK accused of having a labour market akin to modern slavery that encourages people to make risky crossings
www.theguardian.com
MolteniArcore
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The French fight back- there is some hard hitting stuff in here.
Britain has a labour market akinn to modern slavery.
There is no legal way for migrants to enter Britain, safe routes must be opened.
France accepted 150,000 asylum applications last year. UK accepted 30,000
Britain not co-operating with French intelligence services.
Britain was sent the names of two people smugglers based in Germany and the UK- no acknowledgement from the UK
Human traffickers based in the UK and Germany
Channel crossings are an English issue, says French minister
UK accused of having a labour market akin to modern slavery that encourages people to make risky crossings
That sounds fair enough and what most of us have known for some time.
JM14
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Imagine as with most buildings that were demolished, the cost to maintain them just wasn't viable