Morsy - bang average?

Craggsy2

Craggsy2

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I have heard very polarising views on Morsy on various threads and whether he was worth holding onto so I thought I'd look at last seasons stats when he played and didn't play, here they are :

When he played: W 14 D 4 L 12 - 46 points from 30 games
When he didn't play: W 4 D 6 L 8 - 18 points from 18 games

So yes when he played we were slightly better than average but when he didn't play we were relegation material!
 
Considering he joined us on a three year contract and eleven months later he joined Ipswich - we were either offered daft money or the gaffa thought he wasnt up to it.
For me he was bang average.
 
Craggsy2 said:
I have heard very polarising views on Morsy on various threads and whether he was worth holding onto so I thought I'd look at last seasons stats when he played and didn't play, here they are :

When he played: W 14 D 4 L 12 - 46 points from 30 games
When he didn't play: W 4 D 6 L 8 - 18 points from 18 games

So yes when he played we were slightly better than average but when he didn't play we were relegation material!
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Aye, but the stats also show that if he'd played the games he missed, we'd probably have made the play offs....
Mission accomplished down to the presence of one player, far more than bang average....
An essential cog, or should i say an essential role that is missing this season & it's showing, badly....
 
SouthStandSY said:
Aye, but the stats also show that if he'd played the games he missed, we'd probably have made the play offs....
Mission accomplished down to the presence of one player, far more than bang average....
An essential cog, or should i say an essential role that is missing this season & it's showing, badly....
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The stats don't show that at all, unless you only give them the most cursory glance.

He played 31 games last season, he missed 15.

31 games played: 14 wins, 6 draws, 11 losses.

15 games missed: 4 wins, 4 draws, 7 losses.

But the majority of those losses when he was missing were when we were also missing Fry, Tavernier and Dijksteel.
We missed them far more than we missed Morsy.
 
TeaCider said:
The stats don't show that at all, unless you only give them the most cursory glance.

He played 31 games last season, he missed 15.

31 games played: 14 wins, 6 draws, 11 losses.

15 games missed: 4 wins, 4 draws, 7 losses.

But the majority of those losses when he was missing were when we were also missing Fry, Tavernier and Dijksteel.
We missed them far more than we missed Morsy.
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Regardless of that, a better comparison would be when he played v the overall results of the team over the season.

We *might* have been 6 or 7 points better off.
 
He was bang average, but the only one in that role, so bang average probably better than none at all.

Only other player who looks like they "may" have some bite is payero but I don't think that's his best role
 
Loved his commitment and aggression but as said above he was a red card waiting to happen and he wasnt very mobile so no great loss
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
Regardless of that, a better comparison would be when he played v the overall results of the team over the season.

We *might* have been 6 or 7 points better off.
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I don't think it can be taken in isolation given how many other players were missing when he was.

I didn't mind Morsy and wouldn't have sold him, but I think it's daft to say him missing matches is why we missed the play-offs.
 
I think having a player in your team that excels in closing down the opposition and retrieves possession is essential, I think Morsy was ok at that role but his lack of mobility meant that he often gave away free kicks in dangerous areas and was ran off on occasion, for me it was an area where we should have looked for an upgrade in the summer window, however it seems that Warnock and co were happy to let Morsy go and play without a disrupter in midfield or have a belief that Siliki or Howson are capable of fulfilling that role, something I'm not convinced of.
 
Craggsy2 said:
I have heard very polarising views on Morsy on various threads and whether he was worth holding onto so I thought I'd look at last seasons stats when he played and didn't play, here they are :

When he played: W 14 D 4 L 12 - 46 points from 30 games
When he didn't play: W 4 D 6 L 8 - 18 points from 18 games

So yes when he played we were slightly better than average but when he didn't play we were relegation material!
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I like posts like this. A bit of research to create a talking point.
However, when was it a 48 game season?

But anyway IMO it shows that we weren't good enough last year with or without him, so being able to move him on & get some money to create space in the team & budget to bring in someone hopefully better is the right thing to do.
 
Just the latest in a VERY long line of mediocre Boro midfielders who run around a lot, but ultimately add very little to the games they play.

Wont be missed. He is certainly not the reason the team are not performing at the moment.
 
Craggsy2 said:
I have heard very polarising views on Morsy on various threads and whether he was worth holding onto so I thought I'd look at last seasons stats when he played and didn't play, here they are :

When he played: W 14 D 4 L 12 - 46 points from 30 games
When he didn't play: W 4 D 6 L 8 - 18 points from 18 games

So yes when he played we were slightly better than average but when he didn't play we were relegation material!
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I don't think it's possible to look at this and infer a single player's influence. What was the average league position of the opposition when he played? Who else was missing when he was missing? Were we generally speaking in good form or bad form when he played or was missing?
I'm not knocking it by the way, it;s a talking point.
 
For a central midfielder, a position that expects to see more action than anywhere else on the pitch game in game out, and the one position where you can really influence and control a game - he perhaps had one, maybe two standout games in the whole time he was here. The rest of the games he was bang average and inconsistent (albeit like most of our midfield players). Two good games in a season tells me a lot about a player.
 
He was a very straightforward player, plenty of bite and tenacity, but limited technically.

It remains to be seen whether replacing him with Lea Siliki was a good move, but I've seen enough of the latter already to suggest he's a much better footballer and more mobile too.
 
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