Mask wearing post pandemic

[Andy_W]

Back to the selfish argument Andy. Nobody goes to the pub to oil the wheels off British commerce. They go because they want to and the health implications in a pandemic be dammed. Don't try and pretend it's for any other reason.

Right I'll try again, and I'll word it simpler:

There's a massive social benefit from pubs which is why people go, and as a result of this, the economy gains as a by-product. Most don't think about the latter, but you can't deny it's not there. People can choose whether to use these places at increased risk (with no masks), nobody seems to have a problem with this.

There's next to no social impact from wearing a mask on public transport and zero economic loss also, not many seem to have a problem with this, other than yourself of course, who has no argument for not doing it.
People cannot choose whether to take this increased risk (with no masks), they get forced to take the risk.

 

[Steer]

Well todays poll

There's next to no social impact from wearing a mask on public transport and zero economic loss also, not many seem to have a problem with this, other than yourself of course, who has no argument for not doing it.
People cannot choose whether to take this increased risk (with no masks), they get forced to take the risk.

When the govt announce that you do not have to wear masks anymore, then you will see a large ppn of people not wearing them. It's simple. I'm sure that there are polls out there. My recent experience of travelling shows that lots of people have them hanging off one ear or by their chin NOW, so after all clear has been given everything will change significantly further in that direction.

 

[Laughing]

Right I'll try again, and I'll word it simpler:

There's a massive social benefit from pubs which is why people go, and as a result of this, the economy gains as a by-product. Most don't think about the latter, but you can't deny it's not there. People can choose whether to use these places at increased risk (with no masks), nobody seems to have a problem with this.

There's next to no social impact from wearing a mask on public transport and zero economic loss also, not many seem to have a problem with this, other than yourself of course, who has no argument for not doing it.
People cannot choose whether to take this increased risk (with no masks), they get forced to take the risk.

Not simple enough I am afraid and you just moved the goalposts with limiting masks to public transport.

So firstly I don't have a problem with wearing masks. I have a problem with people looking down their noses at those who chose not to wear a mask when they are not required.

If you give me one good reason why anyone needs to explain to you or indeed anyone else on this thread why they won't wear a mask I'll give you a few reasons why some might choose not to.

 

[Derby_Red]

Completely missed the point again.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should (or have to), without a thought or care in the world. Especially when it comes to this government, well known for taking on far too much risk with this pandemic, and also well known for getting ahead of themselves.

They don't ban smoking, but most of us know it's a bad idea and that doing it increases the risk to the user and to others, same with drinking. But just because it's not banned doesn't mean most people should go and smoke 100 a day and neck 20 pints. People don't do it as they moderate their risk, which has a knock-on effect of helping others (or not increasing others risk).

People are selfish if they don't choose to wear a mask on public transport, around others who have no choice but to use it. Even more selfish if they have no logical reasoning to back up why they don't want to do it, at the current time when we have rocketing cases. Just because they don't have to give an excuse, doesn't mean they shouldn't have one, and we've not heard a good one against it yet (other than they're cry-babies).

There is an economical benefit to people going to pubs and restaurants, which is largely following people getting a social benefit from it initially. There's no economic benefit to not wearing a mask on train or bus, and the social impact is next to nil, for the vast majority of people.

Also, whilst the government seem to be lifting restrictions, they are not seemingly advising throwing all caution to the wind. It looks like they're going to put some of the responsibility on the people, which probably means the unselfish limiting risk where simply practical, for the benefit of all (including the unselfish). And the selfish increasing the risk to all, more than they need to, largely as they're jack.

In a nutshell, it's this old staple classic from the wonderful world of safety engineering. Think ALARP and the answer is obviously compelling given the zero-downside of mask wearing.

Redirect to Managing health and safety

www.hse.gov.uk

 

[Derby_Red]

By the way, the poll will end at 52/48, you all know that don't you?

 

[zzzzz]

I can see a load of trouble when it all becomes voluntary.
Is someone is stood right next to me couching and spluttering they'll soon be told to move on.
And what happens when you get stuck on a train or a plane in the next seat with someone coughing away that won't even put their hand over their mouth?
It's a recipe for conflict sadly.

 

[Andy_W]

Not simple enough I am afraid and you just moved the goalposts with limiting masks to public transport.

So firstly I don't have a problem with wearing masks. I have a problem with people looking down their noses at those who chose not to wear a mask when they are not required.

If you give me one good reason why anyone needs to explain to you or indeed anyone else on this thread why they won't wear a mask I'll give you a few reasons why some might choose not to.

I've not, I described the settings earlier, they still apply. I just used public transport as an example, the supermarket would be another example, albeit not as critical as there are other options.

I've got a problem with people not easily reducing risk, with zero hardship, in situations where others will be around who have no choice but to stand/ sit in the vicinity of you, not wearing a mask. I think it's selfish, but I assume you have plenty of good reasons why you and others can increase the risk to others who pretty much have to be there, not largely choosing to be there (like other settings)?

Masks reduce risk, hence why they've been used all over the world, and risk compounds over time, there's my reason.

Your turn.

 

[Laughing]

I've not, I described the settings earlier, they still apply. I just used public transport as an example, the supermarket would be another example, albeit not as critical as there are other options.

I've got a problem with people not easily reducing risk, with zero hardship, in situations where others will be around who have no choice but to stand/ sit in the vicinity of you, not wearing a mask. I think it's selfish, but I assume you have plenty of good reasons why you and others can increase the risk to others who pretty much have to be there, not largely choosing to be there (like other settings)?

Masks reduce risk, hence why they've been used all over the world, and risk compounds over time, there's my reason.

Your turn.

But Andy you haven't given me a single reason why someone should feel the need to tell you why they choose not to.

In any event here are some reasons why people might choose not to wear a mask.

Firstly only 7 percent of communication is verbal about 35 percent tone and 55 percent facial expression. This means it is much more difficult to communicate with a mask on. If you are partially deaf even more do.

Secondly if you are profoundly deaf you are going to find communicating almost impossible.

Thirdly of you suffer from exzema prolonged mask usage is painful.

 

[ThirdLeg]

I can see a load of trouble when it all becomes voluntary.
Is someone is stood right next to me couching and spluttering they'll soon be told to move on.
And what happens when you get stuck on a train or a plane in the next seat with someone coughing away that won't even put their hand over their mouth?
It's a recipe for conflict sadly.

Having frequently witnessed bystanders fail to intervene as people are assaulted or racially abused, I am confident that confrontation over legal non-mask wearing will be quite rare.

 

[the_smog_chorus]

But Andy you haven't given me a single reason why someone should feel the need to tell you why they choose not to.

In any event here are some reasons why people might choose not to wear a mask.

Firstly only 7 percent of communication is verbal about 35 percent tone and 55 percent facial expression. This means it is much more difficult to communicate with a mask on. If you are partially deaf even more do.

Secondly if you are profoundly deaf you are going to find communicating almost impossible.

Thirdly of you suffer from exzema prolonged mask usage is painful.

4th Babies are being robbed of vital early sensory developments offered by actual, normal life.
5th Children with anxiety, fear and panic attacks from mask wearing.
6th Teenagers who can no longer bond and learn about social interaction at a critical life point.

 

[SmallTown]

Well todays poll

When the govt announce that you do not have to wear masks anymore, then you will see a large ppn of people not wearing them. It's simple. I'm sure that there are polls out there. My recent experience of travelling shows that lots of people have them hanging off one ear or by their chin NOW, so after all clear has been given everything will change significantly further in that direction.

You’re right of course. It doesn’t mean that isn’t a sad indictment on our society. It also doesn’t make it not selfish

 

[SmallTown]

But Andy you haven't given me a single reason why someone should feel the need to tell you why they choose not to.

In any event here are some reasons why people might choose not to wear a mask.

Firstly only 7 percent of communication is verbal about 35 percent tone and 55 percent facial expression. This means it is much more difficult to communicate with a mask on. If you are partially deaf even more do.

Secondly if you are profoundly deaf you are going to find communicating almost impossible.

Thirdly of you suffer from exzema prolonged mask usage is painful.

Are you profoundly deaf or an eczema sufferer?

the reason Andy was asking for reasons is we have presented a very compelling reason to wear a mask. The usual suspects have got all excited and tried to shout that down. Which is fine. However up until now you’ve only attempted to shoot it down with your own opinion and by trying to shout louder

 

[Muttley]

Then we come to...

4th Babies are being robbed of vital early sensory developments offered by actual, normal life.
5th Children with anxiety, fear and panic attacks from mask wearing.
6th Teenagers who can no longer bond and learn about social interaction at a critical life point.

And I really can't be bothered this is just straight from the Lawrence Fox school of science

 

[SmallTown]

Then we come to...


And I really can't be bothered this is just straight from the Lawrence Fox school of science

He’s probably copied it off one of “Lozza’s” Twitter rants

 

[Laughing]

I have no idea if smog chorus' post has any merit but you could set least tell him why its nonsense.

 

[bear66]

I have no idea if smog chorus' post has any merit but you could set least tell him why its nonsense.

Mask wearing was stopped in schools on 17 May. There is no shortage of teenager bonding as restrictions on meeting were lifted in the last phase. There is no such thing as normal life for babies; some parents are exceptionally good at aiding their development, others aren't.

At least there were three votes for mask wearing from the press conference today. The only reason given not to wear a mask was an empty rail carriage late at night.

 

[Laughing]

Are you profoundly deaf or an eczema sufferer?

the reason Andy was asking for reasons is we have presented a very compelling reason to wear a mask. The usual suspects have got all excited and tried to shout that down. Which is fine. However up until now you’ve only attempted to shoot it down with your own opinion and by trying to shout louder

I am dead in one ear and my daughter is an exzma sufferer but what has that to do with anything?

Are you assuming I won't wear a mask after the 19th? Are you assuming this because you also assume I am anti mask?

If that is the case St your talking b***ks.

 

[Laughing]

Mask wearing was stopped in schools on 17 May. There is no shortage of teenager bonding as restrictions on meeting were lifted in the last phase. There is no such thing as normal life for babies; some parents are exceptionally good at aiding their development, others aren't.

At least there were three votes for mask wearing from the press conference today. The only reason given not to wear a mask was an empty rail carriage late at night.

I am not sure that's much of an argument bear. Don't kids interact with adults also outside of school? If you're 12 you have to wear one in other social settings.

 

[Laughing]

Are you profoundly deaf or an eczema sufferer?

the reason Andy was asking for reasons is we have presented a very compelling reason to wear a mask. The usual suspects have got all excited and tried to shout that down. Which is fine. However up until now you’ve only attempted to shoot it down with your own opinion and by trying to shout louder

You really are an idiot St I just read your post again. I am shouting nothing down other than the petty name calling from you and others. No one owed Andy a thing, no one owes you a thing and not a single response to the reasons people wouldn't want to wear a mask.

Shout down, you idiot.

 

[Randy]

I have no idea if smog chorus' post has any merit but you could set least tell him why its nonsense.

He can't.