Lumley liability. It’s been coming….

parmoboy said:
It didn't work out well for us last time we dropped Lumley following one of his clangers.

We could try the young keeper but it's going to be an intense atmosphere vs Derby, so he might struggle to cope with that.
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The intense atmosphere won’t exactly be much good for Lumley either, plus I can see the fans really getting on his back if he makes another mistake.
Weve left ourself in a really poor position for the rest of the season
 
I know people hate negativity, that’s understandable. However, this keeper has made gilt edge chance making errors multiple times this season. Three times on Friday and last night's madness.

He lets in goals that are “saveable” and flaps at crosses. You can see his fellow players also are reluctant to pass him the ball.

I cannot see how stating the obvious is making him a boo boy. Nobody, even those defending him, think he is good enough for us now or longer term. He has been a training ground goalie for his career till us - after 6 months of him we can see why.

True, not boo.
 
I do feel when a team play possesion football round the back the keeper is always doomed to let a few howlers in.

I'm sure he wanted to put his boot through it but instruction not to leads to indecision.

However, he's not been great regardless. His stats must be bang average across his game.
 
fassy said:
I know people hate negativity, that’s understandable. However, this keeper has made gilt edge chance making errors multiple times this season. Three times on Friday and last night's madness.

He lets in goals that are “saveable” and flaps at crosses. You can see his fellow players also are reluctant to pass him the ball.

I cannot see how stating the obvious is making him a boo boy. Nobody, even those defending him, think he is good enough for us now or longer term. He has been a training ground goalie for his career till us - after 6 months of him we can see why.

True, not boo.
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My thoughts exactly.
 
Middlesbrough manager Chris Wilder:

"That's a collective mistake [Joe Lumley's error] because there were two or three situations before Joe's.

"One mistake led to two, led to three, and Joe obviously takes the rap for that. But he really shouldn't because there were various opportunities (to clear the ball).

"The goalkeeper makes a mistake, let's get on with it. Everyone makes mistakes.

"It was a collective mistake because we should first spin the ball down the side and then go forward, but we invited them on and then the mistake happened. But it shouldn't have got to that situation."
 
BobUpnDown said:
Middlesbrough manager Chris Wilder:

"That's a collective mistake [Joe Lumley's error] because there were two or three situations before Joe's.

"One mistake led to two, led to three, and Joe obviously takes the rap for that. But he really shouldn't because there were various opportunities (to clear the ball).

"The goalkeeper makes a mistake, let's get on with it. Everyone makes mistakes.

"It was a collective mistake because we should first spin the ball down the side and then go forward, but we invited them on and then the mistake happened. But it shouldn't have got to that situation."
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Very diplomatic. Good man management. He can’t really say what we are all thinking.

The Wilder way of playing is fantastic and paying dividends but I think they need to tell Lumley not to be scared to just put his foot through it. You can’t play out all of the times.

That might limit his major clangers to one every other game.
 
Strange isn`t it

Before Wilder took over Warnock was the fall guy, mixed with a spoonful of Lumley criticism, now it`s all Lumley's fault even though we are conceding less than 1 goal per game since Wilder took over.

It would help if a better percentage of chances created are turned in to goals (1.25 league goals per game since Wilder took charge)

Not saying we don`t need a replacement, just don`t think it`s as bad as people are making out
 
I think someone above mentioned "average Championship keeper" and that's probably right.

I think his problems are being compounded by the style of football we're expecting him to play. Whilst his long kicking is decent he is also being asked to retain possession at the back at times and it's clear his control, touch and short passing just isn't up to scratch.

I am surprised we didn't go out to find a keeper better suited to our style of play.

For what it's worth I've said from day 1 that Daniels is a better option and was genuinely surprised Lumley started the season as number 1. Fully expected him to be backup when he signed.
 
boroboy6872 said:
Strange isn`t it

Before Wilder took over Warnock was the fall guy, mixed with a spoonful of Lumley criticism, now it`s all Lumley's fault even though we are conceding less than 1 goal per game since Wilder took over.

It would help if a better percentage of chances created are turned in to goals (1.25 league goals per game since Wilder took charge)

Not saying we don`t need a replacement, just don`t think it`s as bad as people are making out
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Perhaps says more about the strength of the defence in front of him - I think they have been exceptional. Also we have more of the ball now under Wilder so pressure on the back is less. That said Lumley is our keeper for the season and he needs our support.
 
changingman said:
I think someone above mentioned "average Championship keeper" and that's probably right.

I think his problems are being compounded by the style of football we're expecting him to play. Whilst his long kicking is decent he is also being asked to retain possession at the back at times and it's clear his control, touch and short passing just isn't up to scratch.

I am surprised we didn't go out to find a keeper better suited to our style of play.

For what it's worth I've said from day 1 that Daniels is a better option and was genuinely surprised Lumley started the season as number 1. Fully expected him to be backup when he signed.
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Those games that Daniels played at the end of Warnock and very beginning of Wilder showed exactly why he shouldn't be playing, despite how many mistakes Lumley might make.

I'm surprised Brynn hasn't been on the bench given we brought him back early.
 
homesickblues said:
Ok some comments made me smile! When Lumley was playing under Warnock, his starting career with us, I hardly ever saw him pass the ball short to a defender, it was long ball and he has a massive kick (yes kick!). That used to cause opposition defences a lot of problems - that was Warnocks style. It was so noticeable as soon as Wilder came has asked our defence and Lumley to play in a different way. Short passes from the back, play the ball out. So we are learning to play this new style and it can result in some hairy moments! we have had a few close calls by the defenders and the keeper. I was pleased with a point tonight and Joe will learn. He is the one who needs to call the shots and make the decision to either boot it or pass it, he needs to adjust fast.
Anyway i am pleased with a point tonight. hoping for a win saturday.
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Playing your way out from the back is a preference, but I'm sure the instructions weren't to attempt what Lumley did
 
Linny said:
Very diplomatic. Good man management. He can’t really say what we are all thinking.
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Nothing to do with diplomacy or man management, it is an accurate and fair analysis of the mistakes that led to the goal.
TeessideCleveland said:
I'm not sure any points lost in the next 6 games were due to the change of keeper
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Really? You thought Daniels was better.

Lumley is a bog average tier 2 keeper. Marshall has a rick in him as we saw at the Euros and mis kicked a couple last night and got away with them. Playing it out from the back will always highlight the frailties of a keeper's skill with his feet. Our best keeper in the Riverside years was, without doubt, Mark Swartzer. Can you imagine asking Skippy to play the role that Lumley does? 😱
 
Muttley said:
Really? You thought Daniels was better.
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Them words were not used at all
I said none of the lost points were down to anything he did
He is no better - or worse - than Lumley
He should play Saturday because Lumley has made numerous errors, and we have no experienced keeper better than these two
 
Muttley said:
Nothing to do with diplomacy or man management, it is an accurate and fair analysis of the mistakes that led to the goal.

Really? You thought Daniels was better.

Lumley is a bog average tier 2 keeper. Marshall has a rick in him as we saw at the Euros and mis kicked a couple last night and got away with them. Playing it out from the back will always highlight the frailties of a keeper's skill with his feet. Our best keeper in the Riverside years was, without doubt, Mark Swartzer. Can you imagine asking Skippy to play the role that Lumley does? 😱
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I wonder how many in this list would be able to play out the back

Schwarzer/Nash
Turnbull/Jones
Coyne/Ikeme
Steele/Meijas
Given/Dimi
Valdez/Guzan
Randolph/Pears
Bettinelli/Archer
Lumley/Daniels

Playing football from the back has led to a few good keepers disappearing- Joe Hart was a notable one I think.
 
Pears is my favourite Boro keeper but he was never the same when the rules changed and he couldnt pick the ball up from a backpass.
 
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