Lorry drivers to go on strike

I think you probably need to read and understand posts before commenting on them if that is the case. Apologies if you genuinely misunderstood what I was saying but, like Randy, it appeared you were just twisting the words to suit your argument.
I‘ve just reread them and….nope I read them (as written) correctly first time.
Argument? If by argument you mean people now getting long deserved decent pay rises and wages then I’ll argue that all day long. Companies have been racking it in for decades on account of people believing in this race to the bottom. Your not lucky to have a job, they’re lucky to have you there generating all the cash. Most smaller companies are just as bad pleading poverty whilst paying sh*t wages and ripping the arze out of YTS schemes……sorry ”Apprenticeships“ as the wife does the school run in a Range Rover Sport!
 
Most smaller companies are just as bad pleading poverty whilst paying sh*t wages and ripping the arze out of YTS schemes……sorry ”Apprenticeships“ as the wife does the school run in a Range Rover Sport!

Anyone not liking the disparity can go set up their own business and enjoy the risk/reward.
 
Going to answer my question or not?

Just so I am clear on what you're saying you think the solution is to either raise wages or lower the cost of living and that either of those things (a) solves the problem and (b) is simple?
I've yet to hear any potential solutions to the driver shortage from you other than keep (it appears) driver's wages the same or arrange an agreement to let E.U. drivers also on poor wages back onto the roads.

What was your question again?
 
I've yet to hear any potential solutions to the driver shortage from you other than keep (it appears) driver's wages the same or arrange an agreement to let E.U. drivers also on poor wages back onto the roads.

What was your question again?

Well, there have been a couple. The reason I haven’t put forward any solutions is because you’ve chosen to put up the straw man that I was arguing against wage rises so that my Waitrose shopping wouldn’t go up which showed two things. Firstly a fundamental lack of understanding of the post and secondly an desire to post something offensive. When those two things changes I’m more than happy to enter into a discussion about the complexity of solution versus your simple ‘raise wages or lower the cost of living’ nonsense.

Here is the first:
Don’t have an answer to what exactly? Stop making yourself look silly and read the post properly.

Tell me you understand the difference between these two sentences:

“Raising wages won’t solve the problem.”

“I am against raising wages.”

And then read my post and tell me which one you think I was saying.

Now you can either answer it or just retract what you said and admit you didn’t quite understand the point being made. I don’t mind which.
 
I don't see too many apprentices suffering poverty as a result of what they are paid. I am the product of the 1980's YTS scheme and it was the best leg up I could have been given.
The answer to apprentices is they still live at home and as for YTS, be honest how many YTS schemes came to anything?
 
The answer to apprentices is they still live at home and as for YTS, be honest how many YTS schemes came to anything?

I know many people of my age who have been succesful after completing a YTS scheme and I was one of them. If nothing else it gave you a head start in the work place over those that went to Uni.
 
I‘ve just reread them and….nope I read them (as written) correctly first time.
Argument? If by argument you mean people now getting long deserved decent pay rises and wages then I’ll argue that all day long. Companies have been racking it in for decades on account of people believing in this race to the bottom. Your not lucky to have a job, they’re lucky to have you there generating all the cash. Most smaller companies are just as bad pleading poverty whilst paying sh*t wages and ripping the arze out of YTS schemes……sorry ”Apprenticeships“ as the wife does the school run in a Range Rover Sport!
So you've chosen to ignore my explanation on what will happen if the HGV drivers get a pay rise. OK. I see your game.
 
It’s plain to see now the Brexiteers had no plans or ideas in place as to how the UK would move on post Brexit.

This lack of plans or ideas meant we kicked any cans that could be kicked down the road but this wasn’t enough as we slept walked into a hard Brexit.

This is however one Brexit promise that can has a big bold red line that Johnson and the other Tory Brexiteers will not and dare not cross and that is EU Freedom of Movement.

They all know it but would never admit to the simple fact that this is what won them the Brexit referendum to leave the EU.

Anyone can see this country relied on EU workers to fill many vital jobs.
Underpaid EU workers to be precise. Minimum wage economy, FFS we have to be better than that.
 
The UK government has ran the country on the cheap for decades. Failing to legislate for proper wages and conditions, only applying H&S law after being dragged kicking and screaming through the courts. Remember Camerons mantra of "I want more for less".
I know of 60 year old apprentices, 60 years old FFS, not the much maligned YTS scheme of yesteryear, as some people have said on here, YTS was good for them, I am glad for you but I remember it as a cheap way of of exploiting young workers purely to fiddle the unemployment figures, nothing else. I remember my brother working a full week for an extra tenner on top of his dole, and if he didn't work satisfactory his dole was stopped. Today we have zero hours jobs, part time this, temporary that, fixed term contracts, all on **** poor wages, Job insecurity and people unable to plan for the future because there is no future when working these conditions.
In the 90's I attended one of my many job interviews. What do you think the first question was? It was not. "Why do you want this position?" or, "What makes you suitable for this role" , or even " What can you bring to this company?" No, it was none of them. The very first question was, "What is the lowest you will work for?" And that epitomises how our country has been ran since 1979.
Workers have had the Tory foot on their necks since then.
HGV drivers have to p!ss, sh1t, eat and sleep in their cabs, very few toilet facilities, even less chance to have a shower, spoken to like crap, being made to wait to be unloaded/loaded making them late for their next drop/pick up. Being away from home 6 days a week, working against the clock. Being sat down for most of the day with little chance of decent excercise, eating fast food because mealtimes are inadequate. This has an effect on their health making them susceptible to high blood pressure/heart problems. Money is only part of the issue.
Now they are standing up for themselves and I say good look to them
 
Maybe if people stopped buying stuff they don't need from China, with more priortisation on the things people do need, there wouldn't be a need for as many lorries.

Do people really need;
Sunglasses
Teeth whitener
Deluxe edition box sets
Volcanic ash soap
Anti-ageing cream
Multivitamin supplements
Noise cancelling headphones
Designer trainers
Diamond cufflinks
Detox drinks
Smart watch
Organic LED television
Fake eyelashes
Monogrammed luggage
180 gram vinyl reissues
Branded water
Self-help books

Buy for comfort, buy for kicks
Buy and buy until it makes you sick
Buy for England, buy it all
Buy online and in the shopping mall
Sell it on then buy it back
Buy the sh*t you never knew you lacked
Buy the update to compete
Buy the things that make your life complete
(With thanks to Steven Wilson - Personal Shopper)
 
So you've chosen to ignore my explanation on what will happen if the HGV drivers get a pay rise. OK. I see your game.
No I haven’, as I said before I think you need run through what you write (to check it comes across correctly!) before you press ”post”!
Irrespective of that, how do you manage to find so many slight’s on what you’ve written out of barely a one line sentence?
 
Possibly millions of people gained employment through the YTS scheme, you discounted their achievements in a phrase.
We did mate, but I suggest as a result of our work ethic and wanting to work not as a result of a YTS. How many of those millions do you think made a career out of the YTS they did. If the YTS did anything it was encourage you to get your arze off down to London or elsewhere to get a decent wage for the graft you were doing.
 
No I haven’, as I said before I think you need run through what you write (to check it comes across correctly!) before you press ”post”!
Irrespective of that, how do you manage to find so many slight’s on what you’ve written out of barely a one line sentence?
Just because that sentence was so wrong. You seem to be forgetting that? You had either rmisundertood or deliberately misrepresented what I said. If you had misunderstood, then I apologise. but re read mine and Adi posts to explain the situation to you
 
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