Lorry drivers to go on strike

Randy said:
No, I haven't misunderstood your post at all. You don't want to raise truck driver salaries. So what's your strategy to entice more drivers into that field? Cuddles? A Coopland's pastry danish (delicious by the way)?

I for one don't have an issue paying am extra quid on food and drink items if it means they get paid more.
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You’re just making it clear that you didn’t understand my post.
 
Adi_Dem said:
You’re just making it clear that you didn’t understand my post.
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No I'm not. You've been found out as you don't have an answer.

As long as you don't have to pay extra for your Waitrose shopping b***r the truckers.
 
Randy said:
No I'm not. You've been found out as you don't have an answer.

As long as you don't have to pay extra for your Waitrose shopping b***r the truckers.
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Don’t have an answer to what exactly? Stop making yourself look silly and read the post properly.

Tell me you understand the difference between these two sentences:

“Raising wages won’t solve the problem.”

“I am against raising wages.”

And then read my post and tell me which one you think I was saying.
 
Its going to be a lovely Christmas for many:
No furlough.
Low stocks of anything christmasy.
Shortage of essential blue-collar workers.
Pulling in lorry drivers from other sectors will leave those jobs unfilled - which will effect everybody - again.
Red tape at the borders and hugely increased costs means less for the many due to higher prices.

Some of the public were conned - and it wasnt their individual fault.
Why did foreign capitalists, media moguls and far right gobs espouse the Brexit rhetoric?
For those who were carried along by the mob - just sit and try and explain to yourself - what have they benefited?

And where is this money the populist Prime Minister promised?
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Raising wages and better conditions will help to sort out the hgv problem long term.. It is a long term problem based on the 2 issues above.

It won't sort out the more general staff shortages long term because we don't have the workforce.

It will, also increase costs which is no bad thing providing those increases don't put people below the breadline.

The ideal situation is to have just enough people to fill the jobs available. I don't think we have that right now.

I think what Adi is saying is just increasing hgv wages will move the staff shortages somewhere else.
 
r00fie1 said:
Its going to be a lovely Christmas for many:
No furlough.
Low stocks of anything christmasy.
Shortage of essential blue-collar workers.
Pulling in lorry drivers from other sectors will leave those jobs unfilled - which will effect everybody - again.
Red tape at the borders and hugely increased costs means less for the many due to higher prices.

Some of the public were conned - and it wasnt their individual fault.
Why did foreign capitalists, media moguls and far right gobs espouse the Brexit rhetoric?
For those who were carried along by the mob - just sit and try and explain to yourself - what have they benefited?

And where is this money the populist Prime Minister promised?
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To be honest roofie a recalibration of Christmas would be no bad thing its a commercial bloodbath with parents spending money they don't have.

It would be nice to be able to have a Christmas dinner though.
 
Laughing said:
Raising wages and better conditions will help to sort out the hgv problem long term.. It is a long term problem based on the 2 issues above.

It won't sort out the more general staff shortages long term because we don't have the workforce.

It will, also increase costs which is no bad thing providing those increases don't put people below the breadline.

The ideal situation is to have just enough people to fill the jobs available. I don't think we have that right now.

I think what Adi is saying is just increasing hgv wages will move the staff shortages somewhere else.
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Precisely. As you would expect I am totally in favour of every worker getting paid more. But there is a finite number of workers free in the economy and raising salaries robs Peter to pay Paul. It’s unsustainable and some businesses simply become unprofitable and close if costs of employment go up. These are the realities. It’s neither simple nor a fix.
 
Randy said:
No, I haven't misunderstood your post at all. You don't want to raise truck driver salaries. So what's your strategy to entice more drivers into that field? Cuddles? A Coopland's pastry danish (delicious by the way)?

I for one don't have an issue paying am extra quid on food and drink items if it means they get paid more.
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You did misunderstand it though, Or if not, then delbiretaly misrepresented what he was saying. Which is worse. Misunderstanding can be forgiven. I've noticed this a lot with you. You'll make a comment that twists what the original poster has said in order to argue against it. Why not try arguing against what Adi actually wrote. It's not just an extra quid on food and drink BTW. It's more money for ALL goods you buy. And ALL goods everyone else buys, including the truck drivers. Truck drivers only benefit from higher wages if they don't ever have to buy anything. So, yes, I'll concede that in the perfect world where we can just afford to raise wages to fix a problem, truck drivers whose truck is supplied by the company, and who live in the cab, and who forage for food instead of buying it, will be better off.
 
Adi_Dem said:
Don’t have an answer to what exactly? Stop making yourself look silly and read the post properly.

Tell me you understand the difference between these two sentences:

“Raising wages won’t solve the problem.”

“I am against raising wages.”

And then read my post and tell me which one you think I was saying.
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You either raise the wages and working conditions of HGV drivers or you lower the prices of living. It's as simple as that.
 
Randy said:
You either raise the wages and working conditions of HGV drivers or you lower the prices of living. It's as simple as that.
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It is far from as simple as that. In fact that is comically naive!

Are you going to answer my questions since you feel that I have been 'found out' and that you definitely, definitely didn't misunderstand or misrepresent my post?
 
Laughing said:
Raising wages and better conditions will help to sort out the hgv problem long term.. It is a long term problem based on the 2 issues above.

It won't sort out the more general staff shortages long term because we don't have the workforce.

It will, also increase costs which is no bad thing providing those increases don't put people below the breadline.

The ideal situation is to have just enough people to fill the jobs available. I don't think we have that right now.

I think what Adi is saying is just increasing hgv wages will move the staff shortages somewhere else.
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Morning Laughing.
The situation is similar to the huge shortage of qualified medical practitioners, carers and nurses.
The bursary was abolished then partly reinstated.
It takes three years to qualify as a basic nurse.
With a huge gap - we have a shortage for a good few years.
With Doctors and clinical staff from abroad facing red tape and carers being excluded - we have starved the labour market - so are left with a big hole to fill.
It wont happen.
All the joined up thinking has been predicting this - but the politicians are out of touch and dont give a toss.
They can afford private healthcare.
For the many - thats a luxury we cant afford.
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Adi_Dem said:
It is far from as simple as that. In fact that is comically naive!

Are you going to answer my questions since you feel that I have been 'found out' and that you definitely, definitely didn't misunderstand or misrepresent my post?
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Of course it's as simple as that. That's the problem with politics. Nobody ever thinks of the simplest solutions and over complicates everything.
 
SmallTown said:
HGV driving is a volunteer charity is it?

Once agin you're deliberately misrepresenting what I have said. I've said prices will go up ACROSS THE BOARD. That means we will all be poorer. Including the HGV drivers as they also have to by the goods that are more expensive. You know this is what I said, it's really poor form you trivialise it into a brexit style soundbite.
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WTF are you on about?
A/ what do you mean “Once again”?
B/ “Brexit sound bite”?? Eh?
 
r00fie1 said:
Morning Laughing.
The situation is similar to the huge shortage of qualified medical practitioners, carers and nurses.
The bursary was abolished then partly reinstated.
It takes three years to qualify as a basic nurse.
With a huge gap - we have a shortage for a good few years.
With Doctors and clinical staff from abroad facing red tape and carers being excluded - we have starved the labour market - so are left with a big hole to fill.
It wont happen.
All the joined up thinking has been predicting this - but the politicians are out of touch and dont give a toss.
They can afford private healthcare.
For the many - thats a luxury we cant afford.
(n)
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It is very similar to the nurse shortages, worsening conditions and pay. I guess in the medical profession some have gone juts because of the pandemic and the effect it has had on their mental health, but it was a slowly worsening situation.

Labour shortages will have to be filled, so I would guess a way will be found, perhaps get all the blind folks to become hgv drivers and electricians. Get their lazy asses back to work. I don't know how they will do this but the only 2 ways I can see is immigration through special dispensations or rejoining the SM and CU.

The problem with the second solution is it is a u-turn of gigantic proportions and will probably see the end of this government, specifically, and the tories generally. Upping immigration through the back door can be spun and I would assume that is the way they will go, albeit they have refused to do this so far putting the responsibility back on business' to "discover the opportunities of brexit and sort out the manpower problem.

If they allow thousands of business' to go under and shrink our economy to suite the population it won't look good.
 
SmallTown said:
HGV driving is a volunteer charity is it?

Once agin you're deliberately misrepresenting what I have said. I've said prices will go up ACROSS THE BOARD. That means we will all be poorer. Including the HGV drivers as they also have to by the goods that are more expensive. You know this is what I said, it's really poor form you trivialise it into a brexit style soundbite.
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I think you need to read through your posts before pressing “post reply” as it might alleviate your paranoia when you realise people are not “having a pop” at you!
 
Randy said:
Of course it's as simple as that. That's the problem with politics. Nobody ever thinks of the simplest solutions and over complicates everything.
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Going to answer my question or not?

Just so I am clear on what you're saying you think the solution is to either raise wages or lower the cost of living and that either of those things (a) solves the problem and (b) is simple?
 
WoodallServices said:
I think you need to read through your posts before pressing “post reply” as it might alleviate your paranoia when you realise people are not “having a pop” at you!
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I think you probably need to read and understand posts before commenting on them if that is the case. Apologies if you genuinely misunderstood what I was saying but, like Randy, it appeared you were just twisting the words to suit your argument.
 
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