London in Tier 2, Whole of North East Tier 3

[r00fie1]

Leicester and Leicestershire as a whole have been in some form of major restrictions since JUNE (or March if we're been honest) yet today they've been placed in Tier 3.

Lockdowns work don't they?

To some who work in that City its more like an open prison: short of checkpoints on all major entry / exit points - there are Forces bases with less security and restricted movement!

Like you say - thats worked hasnt it?!
It wasnt helped in the slightest by allowing pupils and students to return to schools and university!

 

[Cappachoochoo]

I'd love someone to explain scientifically how London cases manage to stay so comparatively low.

Because huge numbers of London commuters are working from home, it’s very quiet

 

[Capybara]

our local businesses not to fold and our neighbours not be out of work? December is a massive, massive month for a large number of sectors

What sort of businesses? I'm genuinely interested because a hell of a lot looks like being open in all tiers.

 

[Tommy_Dickfingers]

What sort of businesses? I'm genuinely interested because a hell of a lot looks like being open in all tiers.

Really ?

Hospitality will be decimated in Tier 3 areas.

 

[atypical_boro]

What sort of businesses? I'm genuinely interested because a hell of a lot looks like being open in all tiers.

Pubs? Restaurants? Restaurants offering takeaways are never going to make the same revenue in December as other years. They rely on December trade.

 

[SmallTown]

OK small town. Not sure what on earth that last post means. You clearly don't want to try to see it from the perspective of anyone else in England, yet you're in the company on here of a large amount of people who live in the north who are frustrated, some of whom haven't been out of lockdown since June/July. You think it's all fine, ok, but if you talk about a 'Teesside chip' repeatedly on a Teesside message board (and spell it wrongly), you must expect some backlash surely.

I call it like I see it. I’m not wrong when I say your solution doesn’t make sense is it’s unfair on towns and cities who have it under control regardless of geographic location.
You talk of how it “looks” but same to be basing this just on where you are (hence my chip comment) I was replying with facts and explanations. Regardless of where we are in the country I was being geographically agnostic. You weren’t. You were just saying it’s unfair because our Region is in the worst tier whilst ignoring reasons why that may be so

 

[r00fie1]

The East Midlands is being slammed as hard as parts of the North: [no pleasure in pointing that out]

How Covid rates compare in Nottingham, Leicester, Derby, Lincoln

Rutland and Northamptonshire were the only East Midlands counties to escape the toughest restrictions

www.nottinghampost.com

Here is the list in full of the latest Covid infection rates for the East Midlands. From left to right, it reads: name of local authority; rate of new cases in the seven days to November 21; number (in brackets) of new cases recorded in the seven days to November 21; rate of new cases in the seven days to November 14; number (in brackets) of new cases recorded in the seven days to November 14.


Nottingham, 203.1, (676), 262.2, (873)


Leicester, 398.3, (1411), 524.2, (1857)


Derby, 268.6, (691), 417.4, (1074)


Lincoln, 331.3, (329), 459.2, (456)

 

[Capybara]

Pubs? Restaurants? Restaurants offering takeaways are never going to make the same revenue in December as other years. They rely on December trade.

I really can't see pubs and restaurants making much money, particularly pubs if they open at all. They are both restricted to single-household groups, their capacity is hugely restricted and you can't just pop into a pub for a pint without having to order a meal and then get out as soon as you've finished it. I'll be very surprised if my local opens for example, and if it does it won't have me in it.

 

[Randy]

Pubs? Restaurants? Restaurants offering takeaways are never going to make the same revenue in December as other years. They rely on December trade.

Spot on. 26th November is when we usually launch our Xmas menu. We've knocked it completely on the head this year as nobody can even hazard a guess at the numbers we'll do for this month. In fact we are running a reduced menu although we will have turkey. Essentially we are operating as a restaurant only for the foreseeable because the virus knows that if you are eating food with your fosters you are immune.

 

[Capybara]

Absolutely. But the argument is about the differences between tiers 2 and 3 and when it comes to hospitality it is really the difference between not very much and nothing at all.

 

[FatCat]

this is not a bad analysis for the country as a whole but only goes up to the 20th November.

Covid cases and deaths today: coronavirus UK map | World news | The Guardian


The same arguments mentioned earlier about the regional approach are going on in Kent, the whole of the county has been placed in tier three whilst parts of it could justifiably be in 2 based on their inividulal figures.

COVID-19: Kent MPs lose fight to split county as it is placed in Tier 3 | UK News | Sky News

 

[Billyzin]

"Take those chips from your shoulders"

Only takeaway chips obviously.

 

[brain_in_a_jar]

Again it depends on cars and transmission rate surely? Or maybe there is something immunity? London had it the worst first time around

I'm not sure how widely this has been reported (I'd expect not very looking at the the reaction just to this thread) but there has been a significant amount of testing going on in London for a ONS research project - to see how many people have the virus and more importantly how many have had the virus.

There was a figure of 18% mentioned earlier, but from what I understand from a public health director in a London Borough the emunity rate is much higher than 18%. I suspect this goes some way to explain why london is tier 2 compared to the likes of manchester who I don't think have had anywhere near the same levels of testing in the community.

Take up has been huge as they offer vouchers for each test you take including a antibody test which pays more.

Essentially there is loads more data available in London on the virus than there is in the rest of england.

 

[atypical_boro]

I’m not wrong when I say your solution doesn’t make sense is it’s unfair on towns and cities who have it under control regardless of geographic location.

Do you not see though that many areas do now, but are in tier 3? And many London boroughs don't, but are in tier 2?

 

[r00fie1]

Spot on. 26th November is when we usually launch our Xmas menu. We've knocked it completely on the head this year as nobody can even hazard a guess at the numbers we'll do for this month. In fact we are running a reduced menu although we will have turkey. Essentially we are operating as a restaurant only for the foreseeable because the virus knows that if you are eating food with your fosters you are immune.

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[atypical_boro]

I really can't see pubs and restaurants making much money, particularly pubs if they open at all. They are both restricted to single-household groups, their capacity is hugely restricted and you can't just pop into a pub for a pint without having to order a meal and then get out as soon as you've finished it. I'll be very surprised if my local opens for example, and if it does it won't have me in it.

In that case, why not make London tier 3 then, if there's not much difference? Why not keep the whole country in lockdown? Why are the (mostly northern) city regions seemingly being visibly scapegoated? If 18% of Londoners have already had it London has clearly played its part in spreading it around, as you said above, so why make it about certain regions at all? What evidence even is there for the whackamole strategy working anyway? Manchester has been in lockdown for basically the entire year with a few weeks respite in the summer, and yet seemingly infections aren't really coming down since the second wave started.

 

[UKLL1981]

I still maintain that London has a higher level of herd immunity such was how prevalent the virus was back in the spring. It’s also a bit of a ghost town atm.

The reality is most people that work in London don’t actually live in the city. Excluding us that work at Heathrow I know about a dozen people that work in the city and they all live in Surrey, Sussex and Kent.

 

[atypical_boro]

I still maintain that London has a higher level of herd immunity such was how prevalent the virus was back in the spring. It’s also a bit of a ghost town atm.

The reality is most people that work in London don’t actually live in the city. Excluding us that work at Heathrow I know about a dozen people that work in the city and they all live in Surrey, Sussex and Kent.

OK but there are some extremely heavily populated areas of London, and the tubes are hardly deserted.

 

[UKLL1981]

OK but there are some extremely heavily populated areas of London, and the tubes are hardly deserted.

Perhaps but I think a lot more people have had this virus than they realise. We know it’s incredibly infectious, it would of been absolutely rampant in London back in the spring given the use of public transport, the number of tourists, the population density, office working, social scene and 2 international airports right on the door step. Pretty sure I had it back in the Spring when I come back from New York. 2 of my friends are isolating atm as they are confirmed to have the virus, one has no symptoms but got a test as his wife has it and another has lost his taste, the majority of people I know who have tested positive have had no or minor symptoms. My mate who lost his taste caught it off his 80 year old mum who caught it in hospital (she’s recovered now). Makes you wonder how prevalent it was back in the Spring when there was no testing or restrictions and London would of been the hardest hit. Loss of taste wasn’t even a symptom back then. Also look at the demographic of London, it’s by and large a young population that lives and works there.

 

[Marvanelli]

This didn't really come as a surprise