London in Tier 2, Whole of North East Tier 3

Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Try looking at Stockton, Middlesbrough, Hartlepool and Redcar and Cleveland if you're looking for figures around here. We aren't in the old counties.
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For example I found this for Hartlepool

“Hartlepool's rate is currently the second highest in the country, at 576.5 cases per 100,000 of the population.“

It is significantly higher than London.
 
FatCat said:
For example I found this for Hartlepool

“Hartlepool's rate is currently the second highest in the country, at 576.5 cases per 100,000 of the population.“

It is significantly higher than London.
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I don’t think anyone has specifically argued for Hartlepool specifically to not be in tier 3. It’s more about the fact that some places needn’t be, and some places in London arguably should be. But the government have decided to draw the lines in a way that prevents London “as a whole” from being compromised, but compromises most other big cities in England.
 
atypical_boro said:
I don’t think anyone has specifically argued for Hartlepool specifically to not be in tier 3. It’s more about the fact that some places needn’t be, and some places in London arguably should be. But the government have decided to draw the lines in a way that prevents London “as a whole” from being compromised, but compromises most other big cities in England.
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Yes that’s always the issue when regions are treated in their entirety! However I’m sure there are difficulties with trying to break it down by smaller areas.
 
FatCat said:
Yes that’s always the issue when regions are treated in their entirety! However I’m sure there are difficulties with trying to break it down by smaller areas.
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exactly, so they could have just said

big cities and towns - tier 3
rural - tier 2

leave tier 1 out of it until a vaccine?

Is that so unfair?
 
Tommy_Dickfingers said:
What a tool you are and your 'I'm alright Jack' attitude from being based in London shows that you have become as far detached from Teesside as the rest of the South is.

P.s. TEESSIDE two s's
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Shame you've got me wrong. Still its probably that chip again making you make the wrong assessment.
 
atypical_boro said:
exactly, so they could have just said

big cities and towns - tier 3
rural - tier 2

leave tier 1 out of it until a vaccine?

Is that so unfair?
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It's not about fairness its about controlling a virus. Oh and your overly simplified model is unfair on any town and city that has the virus under control. Its also dangerous in any rural area that has a high r number
 
SmallTown said:
What the biggest cities in the country are in the most populous part of the country? Well I never did! Who would have seen that coming
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OK small town. Not sure what on earth that last post means. You clearly don't want to try to see it from the perspective of anyone else in England, yet you're in the company on here of a large amount of people who live in the north who are frustrated, some of whom haven't been out of lockdown since June/July. You think it's all fine, ok, but if you talk about a 'Teesside chip' repeatedly on a Teesside message board (and spell it wrongly), you must expect some backlash surely.
 
atypical_boro said:
exactly, so they could have just said

big cities and towns - tier 3
rural - tier 2

leave tier 1 out of it until a vaccine?

Is that so unfair?
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It certainly seems a sensible alternative to the way they have done it. That could maybe work.
I just don’t think the way they have done it is some big conspiracy of North v South, regionally if you took an average of covid cases they are significantly higher in the north as a region when compared to London as a region.
 
atypical_boro said:
exactly, so they could have just said

big cities and towns - tier 3
rural - tier 2

leave tier 1 out of it until a vaccine?

Is that so unfair?
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Places where the virus rates are generally highest are Tier 3. It's surely in peoples' collective interest that this is the case. It's not a matter of trying to s**t on people.

As for being fair, Mid Suffolk has levels (per 100,000) just below the Isle of Wight (58 v 59), and yet they haven't made Tier 1, but east and west Suffolk are a bit higher (71 & 64), so they've all be lumped in Tier 2.

The Hampshire/Wiltshire border is 85 cases per 100,000..... so you'd have to encounter just under 1200 people (on average) to come across one person with Covid - I expect they might have hoped for Tier 1 too.

Fingers firmly crossed that these vaccines can be deemed safe enough, and can have a real impact on what is going on as soon as possible!
 
FatCat said:
It certainly seems a sensible alternative to the way they have done it. That could maybe work.
I just don’t think the way they have done it is some big conspiracy of North v South, regionally if you took an average of covid cases they are significantly higher in the north as a region when compared to London as a region.
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I don't think its a planned conspiracy to weaken the north. I think politicians just daren't take on the people in London they would get backlash from. They're happy to do it with most other regions. That doesn't make it 'fair' though.
 
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