3250 covid this week, which will be over 2,000 excess when ONS show their stats in two weeks.
That's 1300 covid absorbing what would normally die of flu or other causes etc.
Your statements are tin foil hat motivated.
London in Tier 2, Whole of North East Tier 3
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3250 covid this week, which will be over 2,000 excess when ONS show their stats in two weeks.
That's 1300 covid absorbing what would normally die of flu or other causes etc.
Your statements are tin foil hat motivated.
hewielewie
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What has Slough done wrong? 
Randy
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So there will actually be more than 2000 excess deaths.
Side note, non league football has just been absolutely decimated. Clubs in tier 3 must play behind closed doors. That is simply unviable for 99% of them.
Randy
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Tin foil hat motivated?
Why?
Take your covid glasses off and see what's happening in different parts of the country compared to others.
changingman
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Not sure I agree, the electorate have been quick to dismiss/fail to understand/ignore the catalogue of errors from the incumbent (politically motivated or otherwise). Down to public opinion of course, but if a weakening of restrictions could be "won" by Labour voting against the Gvt that's a reward worth the risk in my view.
Everything is numbers motivated, cases, deaths, excess, it's that simple, yet you think everything is a conspiracy theory, or purely aimed at making just your life worse, why?
I work all over the UK, run a business all over the UK, have staff all over the UK, have family all over the UK, see stats for all over the UK, watch news for all over the UK.
I've explained some of the reasoning why some locations are why they are. You don't even acknowledge it, never mind counter in it, you're like a flat earther.
You just post pictures or daft statements, with no reasoning, that are often totally misleading or comparing dissimilar data or scenarios.
Randy
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Why are education settings still open but fun establishments aren't or with crippling measures?
Also,
COVID-19: Seven of the areas in Tier 3 with the lowest rate of coronavirus infections
They have among the lowest infection rates in their counties - and some are lower than Tier 2 areas - but are going into Tier 3.
Also why is all of London in tier 2 whilst some boroughs of London have higher rates than some tier 3 areas. Same can be said of my village, why is North Yorkshire in tier 2, considering its over a massive area yet literally on both sides, Guisborough and Nunthorpe are in tier 3. Wouldn't have anything to do with a certain Mr Sunak's constituency been in North Yorkshire would it?
Lightweight
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Huffington post is reporting the below:-
London, which has an estimated R rate of 1.0-1.1 is in tier 2, whereas Manchester, which is in tier 3, is in a region with an R rate of 0.7-0.9.
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London, which has an estimated R rate of 1.0-1.1 is in tier 2, whereas Manchester, which is in tier 3, is in a region with an R rate of 0.7-0.9.
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Randy
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WoodallServices
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I’ve not read all the threads but it’s funny how some towns have high cases so the whole county is shut down, along the Medway have high cases so the whole of Kent is shut down, but Slough has high cases and is shut down but not the Slough suburb of Windsor or the rest of Berkshire!! 
Can you share a link, so we can see where that's from, or what it's including or excluding?Why are education settings still open but fun establishments aren't or with crippling measures?
Also,
COVID-19: Seven of the areas in Tier 3 with the lowest rate of coronavirus infections
They have among the lowest infection rates in their counties - and some are lower than Tier 2 areas - but are going into Tier 3.news.sky.com
Also why is all of London in tier 2 whilst some boroughs of London have higher rates than some tier 3 areas. Same can be said of my village, why is North Yorkshire in tier 2, considering its over a massive area yet literally on both sides, Guisborough and Nunthorpe are in tier 3. Wouldn't have anything to do with a certain Mr Sunak's constituency been in North Yorkshire would it?
Education is important but I don't think it should being done the way it is. But a big, big driver in that is schools are open so people can go to work, basically it's childminding to keep the economy from totally imploding as it has no available workforce. Another couple of factors are because kids have a low infection rate, rate of passing it on and kids aren't going to get hammered at school, and would hopefully be being supervised?
Fun isn't exactly priority number one at the minute unfortunately.
I don't think anywhere bar maybe Cornwall should be out of Tier 3, I don't think the price we will pay in January is worth it for the sake of Chritsmas.
But as you're against lockdowns and any tiers, why should we lock down the main driver of our economy (London), which overall has a low rate, out of spite? Some of those boroughs with higher rates have more people than the whole of Northumberland.
The boundaries are controlled be UTLA council areas, I've not seen a tier map which can be fully zoomed in on, but I can guess what it is, buy the numbers/ colours on here https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/interactive-map
As the councils are underfunded they would have zero ability to have different areas under different rules, it would be difficult to manage. E
How can you argue with the numbers below? There has to be a cut off point somewhere, and the North East isn't in it as each UTLA area up here is doing $hit comparatively.
Do you want to lock Richmond down, or free Middlesbrough and Stockton with some of the worst UTLA rates in the country?
Nunthorpe:
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bear66
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Nunthorpe has a rate of 293/100000 and Guisborough 280/100000. Both not too different than their respective boroughs.
So is it education you want, or a child-minding service? I also think you're underestimating the capacity of a child's ability to cope. You have to acknowledge it is school's being open that has fed the virus. If you want this over sooner, that's where you have to address the issue, not hospitality, because that's not where the spread is happening.
atypical_boro
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Both. But the spread of the virus has never been the problem. It’s the inability of society to protect the old and vulnerable from the virus that has.
It is, in my view, immoral to expect the young to carry the can for ending it and cheat them out of education and a social life, to the huge detriment of their mental health, when younger children don’t even spread it and children of all ages rarely suffer even the slightest of symptoms. And yes, the impact on the economy of school’s staying closed is potentially enormous too.
Sorry but society needs to protect the kids now, first and foremost. We’ve done our bit for the old (it’s up to them now whether they want to continue to protect themselves). 3 year olds can cope, 14 years old can’t. Did you talk to any in May time? I felt so sorry for them.
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When you allow the hospitality industry to die, education will no longer be a priority for those who are parents and have lost their jobs, putting food on the table will be a far more pressing concern.
The spread of the virus us absolutely the problem and until that is managed controlled we will remain in this intolerable situation
Children are not collateral damage in this, I genuinely don't believe kids will suffer long term as a result of not receiving education in a formal environment as the majority of parents will adopt a home schooling approach. This is not normal, but nor is the situation we find ourselves in and instead of striving for normality for just one demographic, we should learn to accept, indeed embrace, the abnormality to be flexible and adaptable
I'm sorry but I don't believe kids should be the priority, getting over the pandemic should be. I'm at a loss about your comment on having done our bit for the old and now it's up to them
I'm going to leave it there because we clearly have very different views on this and falling out with you is just about the very last thing I want to deal with right now, so that is not a possibility I wish to culture
atypical_boro
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I don’t see how differing views would constitute falling out.
Kids have been bottom of the pile since day 1 on this. The impact on them hadn’t even been considered until July. Closing schools was absolutely the right thing to do in spring, but you can’t expect them to sacrifice years of their life to save the economy, the old, or any particular sector. I guess it’s easy to forget what it’s like to be young and fearful of what it’s like to be old.