Cardiffdaffs
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But they didn’t promise. They “hoped”
Lies to sell season tickets
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Glover_elbow
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I suppose the million dollar question is was funding not forthcoming due to wilders dalliance with Burnley or has the club just not invested and broken promises.
jonny_greenings_sock
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Spot on take this.
I don’t think any manager would say something like, “promotion will go from a possibility to a probability” or whatever it was unless they were confident.
I also don’t think it’s deliberate. It’s not lies, sometimes deals are just hard to do. Big questions have to be asked of why we left the midfield so short and why the new signings aren’t doing it. But I’m sure Gibson’s as seething as anyone about it, he’s the one that’s paying for us to underachieve after all.
Whether the purse strings were held because of a mistrust that Wilder would hang around, or whether it was just incompetence from recruitment, or whether we just couldn’t land our targets, who knows. Probably a bit of all of it.
ILOVEJUNINHO!
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If you need to be attracted to the Riverside by promises, ambition and even lies then I would politely suggest we are not the club for you.
jonny_greenings_sock
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I also think Tav going in such a gentlemanly way - probably too gentlemanly - left us trying to do too much at once.
It was already a hell of a rebuild. We had no strikers bar 60 minutes of Watmore, no left sided players, no keepers worthy of the name, and needed cover elsewhere.
I think most of us would look at last season’s team and say to improve we need a proper midfielder. Tav leaving meant we needed two, but at the same time we’re trying to sign four strikers, a couple of centre backs, two keepers and a LWB.
This doesn’t excuse Wilder dialling out when he’s not been given the players. But if you’re getting calls from Premier League teams you can sort of understand it if your midfield is a 35 year old Jonny Howson, Crooksy, a punt on loan from WBA’s bench and a free agent from League One.
And it certainly doesn’t excuse the recruitment department, who are supposed to back an ambitious manager with a really good CV and have loads of money from incomings sloshing around. But again, sometimes deals are just hard to do. They’re both to blame, like I said yesterday it’s 60/40 and I’m still not sure which.
It was already a hell of a rebuild. We had no strikers bar 60 minutes of Watmore, no left sided players, no keepers worthy of the name, and needed cover elsewhere.
I think most of us would look at last season’s team and say to improve we need a proper midfielder. Tav leaving meant we needed two, but at the same time we’re trying to sign four strikers, a couple of centre backs, two keepers and a LWB.
This doesn’t excuse Wilder dialling out when he’s not been given the players. But if you’re getting calls from Premier League teams you can sort of understand it if your midfield is a 35 year old Jonny Howson, Crooksy, a punt on loan from WBA’s bench and a free agent from League One.
And it certainly doesn’t excuse the recruitment department, who are supposed to back an ambitious manager with a really good CV and have loads of money from incomings sloshing around. But again, sometimes deals are just hard to do. They’re both to blame, like I said yesterday it’s 60/40 and I’m still not sure which.
Jedi boro
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It was ridiculous to be as accommodating as we were. Look at how other clubs with far bigger assets have held stead fast - berge, brerreton Diaz etc.
We danced to Bournemouths tune from the off.
go-nads!
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The issue about withholding funds because you don't trust the manager rings a bit false if the club is fully committed to the director of football model.
The midfield needed massive attention, we already needed two first teamers as I'd argue that Howson could not be expected to play every game being a year older. We stupidly let Tav go early in preseason with no replacement.
Three midfielders needed, under the DoF model there should be continuity in recruitment, it doesn't matter who is managing, the process and the players identified should remain broadly the same.
I just don't get it, it's so amateur yet again. The squad is ALWAYS unbalanced no matter who is managing.
The midfield needed massive attention, we already needed two first teamers as I'd argue that Howson could not be expected to play every game being a year older. We stupidly let Tav go early in preseason with no replacement.
Three midfielders needed, under the DoF model there should be continuity in recruitment, it doesn't matter who is managing, the process and the players identified should remain broadly the same.
I just don't get it, it's so amateur yet again. The squad is ALWAYS unbalanced no matter who is managing.
Alan_Breck
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I think as fans we must admit that whilst the money for quality signings may have been available, but the truth maybe that players may not want to come to Teesside to live and work. We love it, of course we do and there's no place like it, but it's a backwater and a long way from the bright city lights of London, Liverpool or Manchester that young lads crave. We've failed to deliver chasing promotion or maintaining EPL status when achieved, and ambitious footballers of the quality we want won't see our recent history as looking good on their CV. As fans we may have to realise that mediocrity is the name of the game for Boro.
#UTB
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Then we stupidly let the manager go with no replacement.
Jedi boro
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They don’t live on Teesside though most live in North Yorkshire. I think this is a myth. Money yes location no harder than any other area out dude London.
r00fie1
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* Looking back, its seems Chris Wilder`s poignant remarks last week were an indication of what was going on behind the scenes:
"The top and bottom of it is I was employed to win games of football and, at the moment, I`m not enjoying it, because my team and my football club are not winning games of football".
"I`m still contracted for a further 18 months"
[Bournemouth?]:
" 100% NOT. Its nonsense what`s happened. I dealt with that speculation a month ago and put it to bed. Its come from nowhere, where its not needed by anybody, I`ve just laughed it off really". "I think that`s what happens when teams don`t get results that maybe they expected.....its part of the industry you have to deal with". He was disparaging of journalists and others, claiming that untruths and speculation was "...disrespectful to players, the Manager and the football club". "(I)...concentrate on what (I) control". I still have the "hunger" - 100%". My drive to take MFC to the higher level (?) "Its huge"............?
On reflection, his comments may suggest the hand was already pushing him out the door.
This was before the Coventry match -
Sounds like someone inside had questioned his commitment and loyalty?
Mmmmmm
"The top and bottom of it is I was employed to win games of football and, at the moment, I`m not enjoying it, because my team and my football club are not winning games of football".
"I`m still contracted for a further 18 months"
[Bournemouth?]:
" 100% NOT. Its nonsense what`s happened. I dealt with that speculation a month ago and put it to bed. Its come from nowhere, where its not needed by anybody, I`ve just laughed it off really". "I think that`s what happens when teams don`t get results that maybe they expected.....its part of the industry you have to deal with". He was disparaging of journalists and others, claiming that untruths and speculation was "...disrespectful to players, the Manager and the football club". "(I)...concentrate on what (I) control". I still have the "hunger" - 100%". My drive to take MFC to the higher level (?) "Its huge"............?
On reflection, his comments may suggest the hand was already pushing him out the door.
This was before the Coventry match -
Sounds like someone inside had questioned his commitment and loyalty?
Mmmmmm
Ingleby_Flash
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Lies to sellseason tickets, it’s called marketing isn’t it?
festa5
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I don't think it's lies. But I do think there's a certain naivety involved.
As others have said we let Tav go too easily and I think it reflects how we as a club see the market. A reasonable offer comes in, the player indicates they would like to go, you do the deal.
Except it would seem no-one else is operating that way. We thought other clubs would take the same approach, we were over-confident we'd sign these players (because I'm sure we made some very good offers that we'd probably have accepted if the shoe was on the other foot), and didn't seem to have any plan for what to do when they played hardball.
I think we frequently underestimate the difficulty of the market.
As others have said we let Tav go too easily and I think it reflects how we as a club see the market. A reasonable offer comes in, the player indicates they would like to go, you do the deal.
Except it would seem no-one else is operating that way. We thought other clubs would take the same approach, we were over-confident we'd sign these players (because I'm sure we made some very good offers that we'd probably have accepted if the shoe was on the other foot), and didn't seem to have any plan for what to do when they played hardball.
I think we frequently underestimate the difficulty of the market.
He was extremely relaxed last week - they were all completely aware of all the comments and rumours milling around - but Wilder was very relaxed - my part wasn't transmitted because there was a very funny exchange that was totally off the record. It was daft stuff but the fact Wilder could do this shows his mood was positive and relaxed. As I left the building he had a conversation with me about the Ayresome Park tshirt I was wearing.
Heine_Otto
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Genuinely think our worst transfer mistake was letting Tav go without an oven-ready replacement…
100% this.
I work in Risk Management and us losing Tav was a huge risk hanging over this club for the whole summer. What was our mitigation plan? If it was to wait until it happened and then trawl through who was available on loan and out of Contract then someone at the club nears firing along with Wilder.
MolteniArcore
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I don't get that from the quotes.
jonny_greenings_sock
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Different situation and a different shop window for players, but Nottingham Forest signed 22 players this season. Nottingham isn’t the French Riviera. Everyone else said it was a hard window, but if you want to do the deal, it will happen.
r00fie1
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He was relaxed, but very forward when asked those questions. As you know - I put a transcript in the Match-Day thread "Beyond Our Wilderest Dreams". When asked about the Bournemouth issue - if you look back at whats on line his face changes from the usual grin. Take what I posted above in context and people can read what they want from that. He made the point about how long he`d got on his contract and made the comments about how committed he was. I wrote "He`s not going anywhere" - based on the steely look he gave to reporters. Either he was completely in the dark - or he was putting a brave face on it?
Surely a man of his experience must have been able to sense the mood behind closed doors. This was pre-coventry.
He also made the comment very loudly "you dont go from a good manager to a bad manager overnight"!
I wont keep re-posting that article.
People can access it themselves:
* The Unofficial "Official" Boro v Coventry City Match - Day Thread *
Be interesting to see what the line-up is today. I wonder if there's a couple of surprise changes? I am hoping akpom is fit and ready to go. I also hope that our fans give him and muniz some time to gel, given they haven't played together before.
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r00fie1
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Here`s the full article:
* The Unofficial "Official" Boro v Coventry City Match - Day Thread *
Be interesting to see what the line-up is today. I wonder if there's a couple of surprise changes? I am hoping akpom is fit and ready to go. I also hope that our fans give him and muniz some time to gel, given they haven't played together before.
fmttmboro.com
It was a very funny and fun press conference, which seems totally weird looking back. First of all as he was walking past me Wilder pointed at Matty from the Northern Echo - "what do you think of him?" He was referring to Matty from Northern Echo moving to work for Sunderland. He was joking of course but the jokes did continue later on - to the point that my Q and As weren't transmitted because everyone was laughing so much.He was relaxed, but very forward when asked those questions. As you know - I put a transcript in the Match-Day thread "Beyond Our Wilderest Dreams". When asked about the Bournemouth issue - if you look back at whats on line his face changes from the usual grin. Take what I posted above in context and people can read what they want from that. He made the point about how long he`d got on his contract and made the comments about how committed he was. I wrote "He`s not going anywhere" - based on the steely look he gave to reporters. Either he was completely in the dark - or he was putting a brave face on it?
Surely a man of his experience must have been able to sense the mood behind closed doors. This was pre-coventry.
He also made the comment very loudly "you dont go from a good manager to a bad manager overnight"!
I wont keep re-posting that article.
People can access it themselves:
* The Unofficial "Official" Boro v Coventry City Match - Day Thread *
Be interesting to see what the line-up is today. I wonder if there's a couple of surprise changes? I am hoping akpom is fit and ready to go. I also hope that our fans give him and muniz some time to gel, given they haven't played together before.
I suppose this is a side of Wilder that we would have seen more of had the results allowed. But he seemed more relaxed than I had seen him for several weeks pre Coventry. Perhaps he knew the game was up but probably not. He did mention maybe needing to grind out some wins and I suppose that was the thinking behind the defensive line up.