Leeds have sold their away allocation

Otto42 said:
I think you'll find that the area South of the Tees of Teesside is and always has been in Yorkshire, so the terms are not mutually exclusive!
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If you look at road signs on A19, A1 even A171, they say TEESSIDE. When you're driving south on A19, at Crathorne it says welcome to North Yorkshire, same on A171 at scaling dam towards Whitby. So no, TEESSIDE IS NOT IN YORKSHIRE.
 
WhitRed said:
If you look at road signs on A19, A1 even A171, they say TEESSIDE. When you're driving south on A19, at Crathorne it says welcome to North Yorkshire, same on A171 at scaling dam towards Whitby. So no, TEESSIDE IS NOT IN YORKSHIRE.
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Not all of Teesside is in Yorkshire, but the bit where MFC play is.
 
I do find this debate tedious. But I'm bored so I'll chip in. People can identify with what they want. Most football supporters in this area identify with a "country" that ceased to exist in 1707. If they wish, that's fine for them. If I have to cleave to a country that used to exist but doesn't any more, I'd rather call myself Northumbrian than English, but do what you want.

As far as local government is concerned Yorkshire stopped having any local government jurisdiction over Middlesbrough when the County Borough was created in 1889, so not long after the club was founded and before it was professional. It remained in the North Riding for ceremonial lieutenancy purposes until Cleveland was created in the 1970s, and got bunged back into North Yorkshire lieutenancy when Cleveland was abolished in the 1990s. So but for those 20 years, as an issue of fact it was and is in Yorkshire.

In footballing terms Middlesbrough has been in the North Riding FA since the Cleveland and York and District FAs amalgamated to create it in the early 20th century. We have won the North Riding senior cup more than any other club, still enter every year, and have staged four of the last ten finals.

So you are free to choose your own personal identity But @indeedido @Otto42 and others have facts on their side, historical and current.
 
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FishofContemplation said:
I do find this debate tedious. But I'm bored so I'll chip in. People can identify with what they want. Most football supporters in this area identify with a "country" that ceased to exist in 1707. If they wish, that's fine for them. If I have to cleave to a country that used to exist but doesn't any more, I'd rather call myself Northumbrian than English, but do what you want.

As far as local government is concerned Yorkshire stopped having any local government jurisdiction over Middlesbrough when the County Borough was created in 1889, so not long after the club was founded and before it was professional. It remained in the North Riding for ceremonial lieutenancy purposes until Cleveland was created in the 1970s, and got bunged back into North Yorkshire lieutenancy when Cleveland was abolished in the 1990s. So but for those 20 years, as an issue of fact it was and is in Yorkshire.

In footballing terms Middlesbrough has been in the North Riding FA since the Cleveland and York and District FAs amalgamated to create it in the early 20th century. We have won the North Riding senior cup more than any other club, still enter every year, and have staged four of the last ten finals.

So you are free to choose your own personal identity But @indeedido @Otto42 and others have facts on his side, historical and current.
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Its tedious, the old guys hold on to their Yorkshire identity, the younger generation only identity as Teessiders...I feel its unfair to call them plastic Yorkshire men.
 
We're going to have plenty of arguments from people saying that we're not in the North East either in years to come, with the new North East Combined Authority which Teesside is not a part of.
 
TeaCider said:
We're going to have plenty of arguments that were not in the North East either in years to come, with the new North East Combined Authority which Teesside is not a part of.
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Not necessarily a bad thing. I think the Tees Valley districts might do better separate from that. We always got f--- all from the regional authority when it had formal status. We are both and we are neither. And there are times when it serves us to be both and times when it serves us to be neither.

Edit: Also, as I'm getting historical, prior to the 1973 reforms, the whole North Riding was in the NE region. Which is where it kind of belongs in footballing terms at least. Northern League pretend amateurs not Yorkshire League honest semi-pros. If you must egg-chase, 15-a-side not 13. We've always been apart.
 
FishofContemplation said:
Not necessarily a bad thing. I think the Tees Valley districts might do better separate from that. We always got f--- all from the regional authority when it had formal status. We are both and we are neither. And there are times when it serves us to be both and times when it serves us to be neither.
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Maybe not politically, but the identity crisis around here has been there all my life, it's potentially going to get worse.
 
I’ve been reading a book this last week or two about when we were part of Doggerland, I was struggling on the map to identify the east boundary of Yorkshire.
 
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