Keir Starmer

[r00fie1]

Bit rude. Roofies a good poster. Are you trying to bully him and drive him off the board?

If this interviews so good post up the text yourself. Lets see it.

Some people are on "ignore."
When people use abuse its a sure sign they`ve got nothing to say and lost the argument.
Often those people never answer the main political points because they cant.
I`ll post whatever I feel is appropriate until either Borolad or Rob advise me otherwise.
Whatever it is, thanks for your support.
Cheers mate

 

[TeaCider]

Just seems like yet another very avoidable own goal from Starmer.

The whole quote taken in context is clearly not pro-Thatcher on her policies, but even opening yourself up to look like you're praising one of the most divisive Prime Ministers that this country has seen is baffling decision making.

Labour always shooting themselves in the foot.
We're just lucky that the Tories are always blundering even more right now.

 

[LessoftheLip]

What could Jeremy have meant by this

"A general election triggered by the Tory Brexit crisis will be a crossroads for our country. It will be a once-in-a-generation chance for a real change of direction potentially on the scale of 1945 or 1979"

"The country faces a fundamental choice" - Corbyn's full speech in Corby - LabourList

Below is the full text of Jeremy Corbyn’s speech delivered today at a children’s centre in Corby, Northamptonshire.…

labourlist.org

 

[LessoftheLip]

Some people are on "ignore."
When people use abuse its a sure sign they`ve got nothing to say and lost the argument.
Often those people never answer the main political points because they cant.
I`ll post whatever I feel is appropriate until either Borolad or Rob advise me otherwise.
Whatever it is, thanks for your support.
Cheers mate

Give over nobody has abused you.

 

[mercury_redstone7]

And it's all Keir Starmer's fault

I think a lot of British subjects think the establishment in this country will let just the Labour Party be voted into power fairly and bring in socialist policies and renationalise industries etc. I don't I have to ridicule anybody or claim higher ground to make a point, but just take a look of the political history of this country.

How its made up. How we made real progressive steps despite the Conservatives and their very rich backers.

Who owns the mainstay political media ? Do all these university educated journalist believe in the Tory far right dogma ?. They say the BBC is unbiased, this really angers me as it isn't in any shape or form imho.

BBC now pay the wages to local regional newspaper to employee 3 Local Democracy Reporters right across all regional newspapers in the UK, most of which when they have to leave due to a non extension of contract , will then be replaced with another BBC chosen Local Democracy reporter
These out of contract reporters normally go to the Local Tory MP for work. Mr Preston employed 3 former local Journalist, as well as worked along side a Conservative one. Also the Conservative MP East Cleveland employed one former local journalist.
So Journalist generally like most people go where the music is and have very little pushback on who pays them and what for ?. All this political Journalistic integrity is pure bollox.
Where was the push back by decent fair minded honest people in Conservative politics in the last 13 years against a party riddled with ultra far right views ? if there ever was any from the off.

This country's establishment will only allow a mild middle of the road democracy like the Blair type and now Starmer, this is to show we have a semblance of democracy. Starmer in better times would be allowed the safe keys to rebuild schools and hospitals and major infra-structure, but it wont happen this time.

We can be grateful for hard progress by the unions and the Labour party in my opinion.

But you have to ask yourself is this country by and large OK, we don't want the far right but we don't want the far left? Is the good way to have left leaning middle of the road politics, that's tolerant?

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

What could Jeremy have meant by this

"A general election triggered by the Tory Brexit crisis will be a crossroads for our country. It will be a once-in-a-generation chance for a real change of direction potentially on the scale of 1945 or 1979"

"The country faces a fundamental choice" - Corbyn's full speech in Corby - LabourList

Below is the full text of Jeremy Corbyn’s speech delivered today at a children’s centre in Corby, Northamptonshire.…

labourlist.org

Corbyn is pointing out the potential for change, and using 1945 and 1979 as examples. Using those years to exemplify the size of possible change does not equate to praise, they are just good years to use to imply scale.
1979 was the beginning of the reversal of 1945 so I doubt he would praise both.

 

[1finny]

why would he "lurch to the left" when elected? Do you think that would actually happen?

If he is following Blair’s playbook he will lurch to the left.

Blair is on record as saying he should have done more for social justice in his first term. He had the mandate but was too careful.

It is also worth remembering he got elected on a manifesto promise of Proportional representation. Once he got the landslide they canned it because they didn’t see it as priority.

It is a lesson that needs learning.

 

[LessoftheLip]

Corbyn is pointing out the potential for change, and using 1945 and 1979 as examples. Using those years to exemplify the size of possible change does not equate to praise, they are just good years to use to imply scale.
1979 was the beginning of the reversal of 1945 so I doubt he would praise both.

Mental gymnastics again. In that case why didnt he just say change in 1945 was good but change in 1979 was bad?

Why do you and others manage to find explanations for what Corbyn said (or didn't say on this occasion) yet you hold Starmer to a much higher degree of scrutiny?

 

[Nano]

Mental gymnastics again. In that case why didnt he just say change in 1945 was good but change in 1979 was bad?

Why do you and others manage to find explanations for what Corbyn said (or didn't say on this occasion) yet you hold Starmer to a much higher degree of scrutiny?

Because when Corbyn talked about change he meant it. When Starmer talks about change he means not changing at all as he's explained.

Keir Starmer: Labour ‘won’t turn on spending taps’ if it wins election

Labour leader to warn that Britain is in worst economic state for over 50 years and spending will need to be constrained

www.theguardian.com

 

[SuperStu]

Mental gymnastics again. In that case why didnt he just say change in 1945 was good but change in 1979 was bad?

Why do you and others manage to find explanations for what Corbyn said (or didn't say on this occasion) yet you hold Starmer to a much higher degree of scrutiny?

You think saying 1979 was a once in a generation change of direction has the same underlying positive connotations as saying Thatcher "dragged Britain out of its stupor by setting loose our natural entrepreneurialism"? Motivated reasoning as usual.

 

[SuperStu]

If he is following Blair’s playbook he will lurch to the left.

Can't agree there, as you've alluded to in the rest of your post Blairs first time in office was a lurch to the right compared to what was being promised while in opposition. Voting reform, house of lords reform, nationalising rail was all dropped when in power.

 

[SuperStu]

Give over nobody has abused you.

That's a bit hypocritical, you were saying Col was yet another poster driven off the board by the rotten mean lefties for less.

 

[SuperStu]

No it wasn’t. I enjoy the conversation with you on here.

Thank you.

Someone asks for an example of where KS uses the word ’praise’ and we get the newspaper clickbait headlines.
How does that help?

The problem with that is its a pointless request anyway. Surely we're all well aware that we don't need to explicitly use the word praise to praise someone. You can say "George Friend is a lovely chap with handsome hair" and you've praised him. You don't need to say "I am praising George Friend for being such a lovely chap with handsome hair".

 

[mercury_redstone7]

That's a bit hypocritical, you were saying Col was yet another poster driven off the board by the rotten mean lefties for less.

I don't think he actually abused Roofie Stu, do you? He was just asking why the Vietnam pictures on a Starmer thread, there could be some relevance but it doesn't stand out to me at least?

 

[SuperStu]

I don't think anyone wants him to "lurch to the left" on here. You don't because you dislike him as an individual. I don't want him to do that either.

I'd love it if he lurched to the left. It's nothing personal about him as an individual for me. It's purely transactional and strategic.

There was a 30+ year gap between Attlee and Foot leading Labour, and then another between Foot and Corbyn. If we have to wait that long before the next opportunity to vote for a party that want to socialise the economy I'll be in my 60s.

If Starmer gets a stonking majority and does naff all with it we'll be back to another garbage tory government before we know it with nothing gained that can't easily be reversed... again.

 

[LessoftheLip]

That's a bit hypocritical, you were saying Col was yet another poster driven off the board by the rotten mean lefties for less.

For less? Point out to me where he's been abused.

 

[SuperStu]

I don't think he actually abused Roofie Stu, do you? He was just asking why the Vietnam pictures on a Starmer thread, there could be some relevance but it doesn't stand out to me at least?

For less? Point out to me where he's been abused.

You don't think this is a bit insulting?

You like a good copy paste, surely that's not too difficult for you?

Just asking for a bit of consistency from the folks who declared it abuse when people simply quoted Cols own words back to him? I mean you've both replied the same thing to me now, does that constitute a pile on? As in:

(awaits pile on)

 

[LessoftheLip]

You think saying 1979 was a once in a generation change of direction has the same underlying positive connotations as saying Thatcher "dragged Britain out of its stupor by setting loose our natural entrepreneurialism"? Motivated reasoning as usual.

Corbyn said there was a "chance" of a once in a generation change of direction as in 1979. He clearly did not make it clear as to whether he thought the 1979 change in direction was positive or negative.

And regarding Starmer's comments on Thatcher you keep omitting the words "sought to" from your quotes.

 

[LessoftheLip]

You don't think this is a bit insulting?

Ah so not not abuse then but an insult?
Try to be consistent Stu, I get insulted on here everyday but I don't run off to teacher telling her I've been abused.

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

If he is following Blair’s playbook he will lurch to the left.

Blair is on record as saying he should have done more for social justice in his first term. He had the mandate but was too careful.

It is also worth remembering he got elected on a manifesto promise of Proportional representation. Once he got the landslide they canned it because they didn’t see it as priority.

It is a lesson that needs learning.

The mental gymnastics is all yours if you are offering your quote as an example of praise. Corbyn's point is no more specific than the dates themselves, which he obviously offers up as times of significant political shift in order to illustrate the size of the opportunity we had at the time of the speech. He doesn't praise or condemn any of the changes that happened in those examples, not even the 1945 one.