Keir Starmer

equaliser said:
I have lived through the British public, time and again, voting conservatively and rejecting anything which smells of socialism.
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And yet the party moving significantly to the left for the 2017 election meant for the first time in 20 years they gained votes and seats. :unsure: So its not quite as clear cut as that is it? And leaders like Miliband, Brown, Kinnock all took the party to the right and lost anyway.

Honestly 10 years ago I'd have agreed with you but the Corbyn years were an eye opener. The reasons a left wing Labour seemingly can't win are IMO all within the party, not because of the electorate. It's the MPs, the central office staff, the party grandees. They close ranks and make sure it can't succeed.

equaliser said:
I do expect social policy to become more compassionate; affordable housing and more equal regional development to be made priorities; more devolution at local level; more joining of public procurement to sustainable social good; the state to be far more muscular with regard to industrial policy; reform in education away from 'gradgrind'; some sort of National Care Service; a sustained squeeze on 'wealth', albeit stealthily; a signally 'closer' relationship with the EU etc.
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Hope you're right. (y) I can't see where you get most of that based on what Starmer, Reeves and Streeting say publically. More devolution? He hasn't even been letting CLPs pick their own candidates. A national care service at the same time as Streetings busy privatising the NHS? Doesn't make sense. Rachel "not the party of benefits" Reeves squeezing wealth?
 
It wouldn’t matter where the party sat at the next election, they’d win because the party in power is proper garbage
 
LessoftheLip said:
No it's not a troll account at all. If you'd be prepared to listen I'll happily PM you at some point today to explain.
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The problem is LOTL, that whether you post as BoroFur, Easterside Red or LessoftheLip, you attach yourself to certain posters, attacking, criticising, mocking and generally following them around the board looking for an argument, and then when people respond you start complaining and crying foul, accusing people of bullying or being passive aggressive. In short, you complain about all the tactics that you yourself use against others. Has it not occurred to you that that's why we quickly work out who you are?
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
The problem is LOTL, that whether you post as BoroFur, Easterside Red or LessoftheLip, you attach yourself to certain posters, attacking, criticising, mocking and generally following them around the board looking for an argument, and then when people respond you start complaining and crying foul, accusing people of bullying or being passive aggressive. In short, you complain about all the tactics that you yourself use against others. Has it not occurred to you that that's why we quickly work out who you are?
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Scrote said:
The fact you can't see obvious sarcasm where it's obviously sarcasm undermines your credibility somewhat.
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LessoftheLip said:
The fact you can't see obvious sarcasm where it's obviously sarcasm undermines your credibility somewhat 'fella'👍
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Obvious troll is obvious.

And that's just the first example I came across. He's done similar with other posters in the two weeks he's been active. Or re-active.

Not worth wasting monitor ink on. Nothing to do with politics or people. Just not got time to respond to provocation.
 
LessoftheLip said:
I see the SNP/Green Party/Hard Left rent-a-mob were out in force in Glasgow last night. Two years ago when the MP David Amess was murdered by an IS fanatic everybody wrung their hands and cried that this should never be allowed to happen again. Well the threat is there still.

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Starmer won't be concerned by that. For better or worse it solidifies his position as a central, down the middle politician, which most people think they are politically.
 
LessoftheLip said:
I see the SNP/Green Party/Hard Left rent-a-mob were out in force in Glasgow last night. Two years ago when the MP David Amess was murdered by an IS fanatic everybody wrung their hands and cried that this should never be allowed to happen again. Well the threat is there still.

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SNP/Green Party/Hard Left? Not sure what you can base that claim on.

And what's David Amess got to do with it? Nothing physical happened did it?

But then I suppose more accurately saying "Anti War protestors shouted some slogans at him due to his support for Israeli war crimes a few weeks ago" makes it a bit too difficult to portray them as somehow in the wrong doesn't it? Easier to just make stuff up to suit what you'd like to have happened.
 
SuperStu said:
SNP/Green Party/Hard Left? Not sure what you can base that claim on.

And what's David Amess got to do with it? Nothing physical happened did it?

But then I suppose more accurately saying "Anti War protestors shouted some slogans at him due to his support for Israeli war crimes a few weeks ago" makes it a bit too difficult to portray them as somehow in the wrong doesn't it? Easier to just make stuff up to suit what you'd like to have happened.
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I haven't made up anything before you go bleating to admin again. They called him a war criminal. That's 'made up'.
 
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