Keir Starmer - We stand with Israel

festa5 said:
The real question is how the Israeli government have so much power and influence over other western nations that they don't dare call them out, even when they're clearly acting like terrorists and committing war crimes.
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This ^^^

Whatever the answer is, it will be complex, but will be primarily post-holocaust guilt backed by powerful Zionist figures positioned in politics, industry & media.
 
The level of Russian** and Israeli influence in our political system is absolutely shocking.

Yet the media just fuel the fire, really strange and just can't put my finger on why.......🤔🤔

We are a fooking greedy shell of a country, open to any foreign influence so long as the come along with plenty of their ill gotten cash. Demonise the immigrants risking their lives in dinghies, at the same welcoming the rich, those that seek to make the UK a worse nation for its own population just to flex their political clout.

As a nation we've sold our soul and are completely at the mercy of foreign influence. Well, they have to get something back for their "investments" don't they?

** Prior to the Ukraine invasion.
 
h_m_boro said:
The level of Russian** and Israeli influence in our political system is absolutely shocking.

Yet the media just fuel the fire, really strange and just can't put my finger on why.......🤔🤔

We are a fooking greedy shell of a country, open to any foreign influence so long as the come along with plenty of their ill gotten cash. Demonise the immigrants risking their lives in dinghies, at the same welcoming the rich, those that seek to make the UK a worse nation for its own population just to flex their political clout.

As a nation we've sold our soul and are completely at the mercy of foreign influence. Well, they have to get something back for their "investments" don't they?

** Prior to the Ukraine invasion.
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There's been reports yesterday of "good donor" Lord Alli that he has loaned considerable sums to bail out peers in the expenses scandal. Donations for clothes is one thing but helping people committing fraud against the taxpayer is another. And it was Starmer that decided she would not be pursued for fraud charges in the end. Alli also worked a lot with Robert Maxwell who was suspected of being a spy to Russia and Israel (and had many Israeli secret service heads attend his funeral). Alli also worked with the Murdoch's and has spent considerable time in the Middle East. Any links to Russia and Israel through the media won't be a surprise to someone so embedded in the industry. Maybe there is an ulterior motive to all these gifts.
 
Nano said:
Alli also worked a lot with Robert Maxwell who was suspected of being a spy to Russia and Israel (and had many Israeli secret service heads attend his funeral). Alli also worked with the Murdoch's and has spent considerable time in the Middle East. Any links to Russia and Israel through the media won't be a surprise to someone so embedded in the industry. Maybe there is an ulterior motive to all these gifts.
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Ok so let's examine that - he "worked with Robert Maxwell". Yes he worked as a journalist for the Maxwell Group which at its peak owned hundreds of publications. Just because Maxwell had Israeli and Russian links doesn't infer that all employees of Maxwell would have been Russian spies. I worked for a short while at Macmillan in the late 80s and that was also owned by Maxwell. I can assure you me and hundreds of colleague have never carried a poisonous umbrella across London Bridge or had secret links to Mossad at any time!

Moving on to Murdoch - yes Alli again helped finance through his investment company the multinational media company Shine, once one of the biggest independent media companies in the World and employed 1000s worldwide. Elisabeth Murdoch started that company ( and eventually sold it to 21st Century Fox/Disney) To make an assumption that because Alli was involved with the Maxwell and Murdoch organisations professionally during his career should automatically casts suspicions of colluding with Russia and Israel is a massive grab for straws to beat the guy with.
 
Johnnyweetabix said:
Do we ? I’ll be honest I despair at what both sides are doing . Both seem to be intent on killing the innocent . I don’t think I stand with any of them to be honest .
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The UN's highest court declaring continued occupation of Palestinian land by Israel illegal is critical to the thought process here. It means that Palestinians resisting the occupation cannot be considered terrorists as they are defending their own territory from illegal occupation. Unless we also count the French resistance movement in WW2 as terrorists too of course. The only ones that considered them terrorists were the occupiers themselves. The Balfour Declaration has a lot to answer for.
 
Nano said:
Alli also worked a lot with Robert Maxwell who was suspected of being a spy to Russia and Israel (and had many Israeli secret service heads attend his funeral).
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Lots of people attended Maxwell's funeral including the then shadow Foreign Secretary Gerald Kaufman who was sent there in an official capacity but didn't want to go (Kaufman was my MP and I was in the Labour Party back then so knew him fairly well) and whose damning criticism of Israel I've already posted
 
ScottyBoroBoy said:
The UN's highest court declaring continued occupation of Palestinian land by Israel illegal is critical to the thought process here. It means that Palestinians resisting the occupation cannot be considered terrorists as they are defending their own territory from illegal occupation. Unless we also count the French resistance movement in WW2 as terrorists too of course. The only ones that considered them terrorists were the occupiers themselves. The Balfour Declaration has a lot to answer for.
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The UN is bent and has no credibility in this matter.
There is no illegal occupation and there is no long term Palestinian right to the land - both regularly peddled myths.
 
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