Keir Starmer giving Johnson another tough time at PMQ’s

Baggins said:
Then it will be interesting to see his response and how he escalates this, since this is exactly the opportunity he needs to really hammer home a point.
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I think that so far the responses have been press briefings. That is because he's been asked to respond in parliament. It will be interesting how the dialogue continues when it does. It should be today, which is the normal protocol.
 
bear66 said:
I think that so far the responses have been press briefings. That is because he's been asked to respond in parliament. It will be interesting how the dialogue continues when it does. It should be today, which is the normal protocol.
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He very quickly went into writing officially after Boris' response, so I wonder if he will try to push through a request for a parliamentary committee to review this. There are lots of vultures circling now and things will really get interesting.
 
Just read Johnson's response.. It warms my heart to know we have a government who wish to nitpick whilst the electorate are dying.
 
SmallTown said:
Baggins and fatty: do you actually accept the response from Boris?

Have you read it? Can you not understand what Starmer was asking and how Boris lied to get out of the answering the question. Interesting, and as Fabio said your opinion seems to be out of odds with the general consensus.

I think this is Starmers initial problem he must overcome. There is an alarming group of Borisettes in this country who will defend the man regardless of action, regardless of howe many deaths his incompetence is causing. It really frightens me.
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they are two different things I agree that Starmer got the better of Boris and that Boris didn’t have the answers so lied. Point I was making is that he can only go so far scoring points in PMQs, he should concentrate on defining his policies and what his party stands for - if people don’t know what he represents then they won’t vote for him ( regardless of how many arguments he wins at PMQs)
 
Baggins, are you a labour or Tory voter (or neither). It’s just really hard to figure out from your postings, where your allegiances lie? Not that important in the grand scheme of things, but it does help to put context to the points you are trying to make.
 
FatCat said:
they are two different things I agree that Starmer got the better of Boris and that Boris didn’t have the answers so lied. Point I was making is that he can only go so far scoring points in PMQs, he should concentrate on defining his policies and what his party stands for - if people don’t know what he represents then they won’t vote for him ( regardless of how many arguments he wins at PMQs)
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I would agree with that Fatcat, if an election was imminent.
However, Labour policies don’t matter a jot at the moment. You could even argue that they don’t matter at any time, given large swathes of the population have frequently voted against their own best interests over the recent past.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
Baggins, are you a labour or Tory voter (or neither). It’s just really hard to figure out from your postings, where your allegiances lie? Not that important in the grand scheme of things, but it does help to put context to the points you are trying to make.
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I voted for neither since I have lived outside the UK for nearly 10 years, but I am Labour at heart and vote Labour/Red where I live now.

I have to say I am very disappointed in the current version of the Labour party though and feel they need to change.
 
Baggins said:
I voted for neither since I have lived outside the UK for nearly 10 years, but I am Labour at heart and vote Labour/Red where I live now.

I have to say I am very disappointed in the current version of the Labour party though and feel they need to change.
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Thanks for the reply.
I feel Labour have changed significantly from what they were only a couple of months ago, so I’m willing to give them a chance and I’m hopeful that they are moving in the right direction.
 
I think Starmer has got things spot on so far, and the National media response backs that up. He’s methodically picking out the governments mistakes, and Johnson’s lies, and putting pressure on to reverse poor decisions (furlough now extended). I don’t think Starmer needs to do much else at the moment, it’s not election time, and frankly if you give Johnson enough rope he’ll probably hang himself in the long run. People, and more importantly perhaps the media, are definitely recognising the poor job the government are doing right now, a lot of that has been highlighted by the Labour leader.



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FabioPorkpie said:
Thanks for the reply.
I feel Labour have changed significantly from what they were only a couple of months ago, so I’m willing to give them a chance and I’m hopeful that they are moving in the right direction.
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I agree, and I hope the changes continue.

I do feel that with the current political climate they need to maximise every opportunity. The MSM is largely discredited and they have always been Labour's biggest enemy, certainly recently anyway. Starmer is perfect for spotting these details that trip the Tories up, he needs to exploit them more though.
 
Baggins said:
I agree, and I hope the changes continue.

I do feel that with the current political climate they need to maximise every opportunity. The MSM is largely discredited and they have always been Labour's biggest enemy, certainly recently anyway. Starmer is perfect for spotting these details that trip the Tories up, he needs to exploit them more though.
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I think it’s early days and at the moment, there is still a degree of sympathy for the government amongst some members of the public (unfathomable though that is to me), that Boris and co are trying to manage a freak catastrophic event and are doing the best they can..... Some people simply aren’t very well informed about the decisions that have been made or the timings of implementation of measures, and don’t keep up to date with the evidence or facts. They are guided by social media tosh and tabloid headlines and are often unable to see the wood for the trees, sadly.
If Starmer goes in too hard too fast, it could do more damage than good to be honest, as many people are (wrongly, in my opinion) still not entirely sure that the government have done much wrong. Softly, measured and constructively is the right way to go at the moment in my opinion.
 
Fabio, I think you are probably right. You don't lead with your right. By pointing out the inconsistancies, and raising public awareness where possible, and yesterday was a good example of that, you get the points in the mainstream media. It also makes it very difficult for newspapers to put a political spin on something, particularly if a lie is called out and later confirmed.

Bit by bit you dismantle the sandcastle that is the tory government. And lets be honest, either the government will have to do better, or they will be replaced. Either one improves our lot in life, and indeed most other peoples, whatever your political allegience.
 
Btw that letter was just the opening shot to test the waters as his real target will be sage and how who and when they were advised.

Did you see Boris reaction when he so much as mentioned them yesterday, he was Like a rabbit in the headlights.

This was my issue with Corbyn as he would always make it political or ideological so Boris could easily dismiss him as a crank or a Commie and remove his initial point with his usual bluster.

But with starmer He can’t go that as he has he one thing Corbyn never had, credibility and a respected reputation look at how Boris has had to answer the points he’s raised not just dismiss them as he previously would.
 
Alvez_48 said:
If Corbyn had been given the free run that Starmer has received we'd probably not be in this position right now...
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I was a fan of Corbyn and he was villified in the press and never really managed to win over those outside of his core support. Ultimately, doesn't matter that I liked him, he couldn't win over the electorate, for whatever reasons.
 
Zorro, I think what is clear is Starmer, or his staff are working their bollo(ks of in terms of being completely prepared. The questions are direct, well thought out and require an answer. Questions like "Can the right honourable gentleman confirm his commitment to x, y, z?" are pointless, they allow a waffled answer with no discernable metrics.

You may well be right Starmer is leading Johnson by the hand to a place he wants him and you may be right this is about getting unredacted sage documents to prove that the conservatives have not followed the science, but cherry picked what they wanted and what they thought they could get away with.

Anyone who thinks we were slow to lock down because of the science, and not all to do with the economy is, frankly, stupid.
 
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