We can vote Labour and get them elected but don’t think you can be involved in shaping the party
And if he keeps the status quo for 5 years some are already making excuses for the change to happen in the 2030’s
I mean, come on!
I wouldn’t count the chickens yet. The SNP is polling well in Scotland and so is independence. Starmer has absolutely ruled out any deal with the SNP
The party is broke, activists have left, membership is down something like 300,000 members (no matter what Andy says)
There’s about a 20 point gap between the Tories.
Reform will probably become more prominent - which may help Labour as the thinking is the Labour voters who drifter to Tories May drift to reform. Maybe around 10-20%
Reform are even ahead of the greens
And if anyone bothered to check any brief history of Labour Blair argued he would shift a little to the right and over time all society would feel the benefit but actually Labour started to have a stay at home problem where 5 million people stopped voting for them and it wasn’t until Corbyn that the votes improved to close to getting elected again
It sounds like rinse and repeat. But people won’t be as trusting this time, as gimmicks like that have a once only shelf life. People have memories
Btw, it’s starting to get media attention how Labour operate so maybe sidelining the left is not such a smart move
Politics in this country has never been so divided with the Welsh and Scottish national parties
The party will reflect who votes for it, nobody will get exactly what they want, but that's what happens in a two-party system. The centre carry more weight, and are more likely to shift position, so sometimes you need to give them a disproportionate amount, it's crap, but it's reality. If we had PR it would still be the same way, as we could end up with 5 parties wanting different things, and three would need to agree to get a majority or any policies through, so it would still mean having policies which cover beyond the centre.
Change will take a long time, it's proportional to the size of the hole you're in, and we're in a massive hole.
Labour membership is at around 432k, as per the August 22 report, over twice as many as the tories, and more than the rest put together (inc tories). Centrists and floating voters are less likely to become members, it's often the extremes of each party which become members (which doens't really reflect who is voting for them).
There's a massive gap now in the polls, but it may not be the case in two years time, this might be the deepest part of the hole, so to speak, by god I hope it is, even if it means that gap narrowing.
Reform will be massive, they will probably get ~4m votes, but probably won't get many seats.
Corbyn did get more voters to come out, but so did the Tories (anti-labour votes).
Hopefully lies and gimmicks no longer work, we need to go back to having more trust, lets see what the manifestos say, and how they're put info force.
The media are always going to ramp up on labour as the election looms, the left go against their own for not being left enough and the right (which is more of them) go against them as they want them to lose.
The tories and English ******* off the Welsh and Scottish isn't going to help either Labour or The Tories, but to be honest I hope the welsh and Scottish parties do get more seats, they should have more of a say.